Cancel culture vs creators

Cancel culture disgusts me. This nonsense argument that this it's "accountability culture" is just a way to justify bullying in massive scale.

Sure, people can have an opinion if you do something wrong. They can stop watching, they can comment on the issue and criticize, get down harmful or false information that's fair. I'm against the harassment and demanding apologies or bullying people to be "accountable". Who is taking YOUR accountability? This culture just empowers the idea that random strangers on the internet are more important than us and our own actions. We are in no position to "fix" people on a personal level.

If something is a CRIME it should be prosecuted. Twitter is not s tribunal.

If it happened to me I would either ignore or delete my presence, I hate that crap

Ngl I was struggling to write a post earlier but I didn't even bother, but I just wanted to let you know because you nailed it on the effen head.

Cancel culture from what I’ve seen is a method instigators used to to diminish the reputation of of public figures or brands that have a platform. Unfortunately, too often, the inflammatory remarks of one person can spread like wildfire which mostly results in said brand being tarnished.

I’ll give an example, and this happened here on the forums by the way. One person, let’s call them “X” tried to oust me for a comment I made about 2 years. I’ll admit that I was naive about the underlying nature of the comment I posted and I was contacted by a forums moderator about the situation, and understood my wrongdoing. It was a swift and peaceful settlement and I have learned my lesson from that issue henceforth. I then come to find out that 3 months after the whole debacle, this person named X told me off to some other creators who I was in the middle of playing a Roleplaying game with in private. The owner of said RP reached out to me about what X told them, and I might get voted of the RP due to the repercussions of what was stated. I explained my case to the owner privately and when it came time to iron out this issue with X face to face with the owner demanding us to find common ground, X decided he was better off excusing himself from the RP in an attempt to escape the issue THEY caused all because he didn’t want to face backlash from me. So the both of us ended up leaving the RP to avoid further conflict.

The reason I bring this up is because that in of itself is my firsthand experience delving into the muddy waters of “cancel culture”. Sometimes, when people are ostracized on social platforms, people who were support of the brand they subscribed to end up leaving due to misinformation. Is it more appropriate to be “the bigger person” in such as case and keep the ball rolling? Sure. However I would argue that by simply ignoring trolls who seek to ruin your reputation for an incident that happened way off in the past (especially when you acknowledge and learn why scrutiny was there in the first place) you have to be aggressive with said trolls because in the off chance that they try to make you lose followers or find a reason to hate on you, you have every right to stand your ground against those who may prove to be an obstacle to your success.

Like I know cancel culture is being demonized by certain group as this fearful thing the left does, and it’s mostly not true. But I just cannot help but when people hungry for drama used it to create brownie points for themselves. And twitter is very toxic place with very limited room for nuance. Cancel culture is a tool, and just like every other tool it can be used to do its function properly, or people would do it badly, and harmfully. Like, the level of outrage these people throwing against people who in real life would agree with atleast 95% of their position in politics is just mindblowing. It’s not like they murder someone or rape someone or start an unjustified invasion/war. Get a grip people.

I don't know what the empirical facts are with respect to what percentage of 'cancelling' incidents were harmful towards a relatively innocent person vs helpful by calling out a genuinely harmful person, but I do feel the need to say this:

It's dumb to expect an immediate AND genuine apology from the 'transgressor'. If you push someone to respond immediately, how tf do you expect them to understand what they've done wrong? Genuine remorse comes with time and self-reflection, something we stupidly don't allow others to have whether or not it's a 'cancel culture' situation. It just really grinds my gears when people are like APOLOGISE NOW, and then when they do apologise, they're like WHAT A NON-APOLOGY, NOT GENUINE AT ALL. Like, what did you expect? If you don't want someone to throw out a non-apology to cover their ass, let them apologise when they've actually had time to reflect on their actions

I'd probably make my bf deal with it haha
I've been terminally online since 2009 there's a good chance I've said something stupid within those 10+ years but I was a teenager then, and a lot of people can't seem to wrap that around their head.
Even so, I'm not in a good headspace, I have to go to therapy 2-3 times a week and I have neurological issues that make my cognitive functioning lower than your typical person. So it takes me a while to make a cohesive sentence.
Plus with the content of my story being about CSA and childhood trauma, it's bound to make someone upset, even with the disclaimers and age warnings, some people ignore them and choose to be upset and angry.
So unless it was constructive criticism, I really would just dip for a while and let my bf handle it.
I hardly use my social media anymore anyway cause people always wanted to argue with me °~° it's not worth it.

"Cancel Culture" is mostly a buzzword these days for whenever a creator even receives the most minor of criticisms, but I can't imagine anything I've seen from people who've participated in actively cancelling someone as healthy or even a form of social justice.

As a POC (and woman), I don't get the notion of how "cancel culture" is somehow empowering for POC to make white creators accountable when numerous POC and women have fallen victim to being "cancelled" from the slightest transgressions, sometimes much more easily so than their white male counterparts. Plenty of people use the moral high ground of "cancelling" as an excuse to harass women and POC when they're really just sexist/racist.

If you want to call out or criticize someone, want to hold someone "accountable", write your piece to let others know, unfollow them, and be done with it. There's a different between criticizing someone and looking for an excuse to bully

This.

Me personally- I don't even have the energy to call someone out...once I find out so-n-so is a sh*tty person, I cut whatever ties I may have had with them right then and there. I definitely don't do the bullying thing; I'll make a suggestion- if a person doesn't take the advice, that's their problem...once again I cut my ties and move on.

oh you are right!!
I hate that drama youtubers tried to show this as some "tea spill" when it was way worse

As a creator with a pretty rough past I've just come to accept my past mistakes / things I got wrapped up in, and my audience are aware of the growth I've made and the situation I used to be in that led to those mistakes.

I think I've accepted the potential of being "cancelled" already as an occupational hazard because of how public some aspects of my past are. Sometimes people are going to be ignorant / act hastily and are going to do damage, but that's the way public discourse is at the moment. I think it's the way it's always been. It really sucks, and I wish it didn't work this way. I with more people cared about growth and improvement from creators rather than just the blind catharsis of taking down somebody with clout.

In a way, we're all vulnerable to it but... There's very little we can currently do about it.

People have already tried to tear me down before using stupid things I did or said as a teenager, or even just over dumb things like fandom discourse. I'm so used to it now that it doesn't even sting anymore.

Gotta say, cancel culture seems like a fancy name for ganging up on people with a moral crusade as an excuse......

Don't get me wrong. In some cases people need to be called out for their behavior, like pedophiles or other kind of messed up folks. However, the truth is that running with torches and pitchforks without knowing the full story will often cause more trouble and risk harming innocents.....

My opinion about it is that if people really want justice, they need to inform themselves on the issues they are getting involved, otherwise they may risk becoming a puppet for a manipulative jerk.

Accountability goes both sides, because when one jumps into a bandwagon, they are responsible for their actions.
We are humans, not lemmings, so just blaming the inciter will not clean the damage one was part of.

Oh, I always fear this, but not about mistakes in the past, but about non mainstream opinions. That's why I don't post some pages in english version of my comic, that I post in russian version, because people in english segment of the internet seem less open-minded and tend to perceive a lot of things as a personal attack

Honestly, same. That's why I won't monetise my work, so I can continue saying my piece without the audience holding anything over my head

As long as its a bunch of 14 year old kpop stans accussing me whatever crap they found offensive, I'll be good lol.

In all seriousness, being canceled is one of my biggest fears and is something I actively try not to think about because I know its going to happen to me eventually

Lmao I remember this one YouTuber talking about how he pissed off Kpop stans in his video on Twitter (the infamous "BTS vs. Backstreet Boys" meme) and he says so casually in the middle of his video "So I was cancelled and doxxed for a little while" and then he just continues to move on like it was nothing. (He also made two other sequels).

That dude did not give AF. Like can you imagine being doxxed?!? He wasn't playing around either because I remember seeing the video trending for a little while on Twitter.

Like I said, that dude is crazy lmao. I think he was actually baiting them to make a point by making the video as offensive as possible since his videos seem to follow the same format. Just to show the worst out of cancel culture and people who try to make people "hold accountability". They just see all red and type "OFFENSIVE!", but they're completely unaware the dude is making idiots out of them just for the sole purpose of content.

People will probably say he's crossing the line but he did the EXACT SAME THING WITH THE SEXY M&M PEOPLE and was the funniest thing I've seen all month.