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Nov 2015

Oh my, I saw this when I was like... 10?
... I'm so old! ;A;

I agree with a lot of people that vampires didn't ruin Twilight, all it did is create a familiarity larger than the classic one in pop culture temporarily, and yeah a lot of annoying things came out of it like Vampire Diaries, and such. (All the twilight jokes from my vampire characters get old after a while~~~~ )

However, this isn't the first time?

Back in the 1847 (20 years before Carmilla, and more than 50 before Bram Stoker's Dracula) there existed a looooong series called Varney the Vampire.


(not even purple nor dinosaurs, what a jip)

And it was considered SO POORLY WRITTEN. People couldn't even follow the story, the characters were inconsistent and it received a lot of negative reviews. And yet...a lot of the lore that Carmilla and Dracula based themselves out of started from this.

The idea of leaving a bite mark for example.

It was terrible, but people learned from it and improved it. So really, Twilight is just another Varney where we as readers and enthusiasts learn (especially the lore that is always inconsistent) what works and what doesn't.

I think Twilight didn't so much ruin vampires as much as the vampire craze that happened during the same time it became popular. For a while there were quite a few popular shows sharing pretty much the same theme. They were majorly romances with big emphasis on the sexual nature of vampires. I feel like people just got sort of burnt out and now associate vampire stories as just trying to follow that trend.
There's also the factor that Twilight is kind of like "cool" to hate because it got so popular even though it was pretty silly and was favored by young girls.
So no, Twilight definitely did not ruin vamps with it's sparkles, people just sort of grew out of the fad. For me personally I generally don't like main stream vampire pop culture and have a running joke about hating "vampire boners" just cause I'm tired of how intertwined vamps are w themes of sex (even though I totally understand why they are).
I get why'd you ask this question though, I have a vampire main characters (and vamps are a big part of my world building) and before I started I was pretty worried about being written off before anybody could even learn my interpretation of vampires.

That's why I don't want to try it, I don't like shojo Dx

Vampire's definition had evolved a lot, there are more movies of romance of a vampire with a "young girl" before Twlight, just Twilight got more popular. But like Twlight ruinning vampires I would say no, more stuff came before. Just Twlight set up the vampires for teens (either if it did it good or bad).
I still have my book from Bram Stoker's Dracula and still enjoy it xD (if we see about literature composition, obviously, I stay with Dracula)
And like someone said up here, there's also Vampire Knight xD

I find it kind of funny Dracula gets a lot of praise and even if i have a copy of the book, I found it tedious, preachy and boring to read. I preferred Frankenstein loads more in terms of narrative and pacing |D

But yeah, most of the big change in vampires in making them more human or exploring their pain comes from Anne Rice's works. And even if I think they haven't aged very well (minus the lore), they made a huge impact. Regardless, people still wrote about vampires being mindless killers, or just focusing on vampires co-existing without the trauma, and such.

The genre is so varied, I don't think anything can ever fully define it. It's what makes it great

Even though I bring up Dracula quite a bit as an example since it's the vampire story everyone knows about, it's actually not my favorite either. I like parts of it and respect it for making the type of vampire most are familiar with now, but it's still not my favorite.

(...and of all the Dracula movie adaptations, I prefer the rip-off counterpart Nosferatu. XD)

What are you talking about? Twilight is amazing its my favorite comedy!

(...and of all the Dracula movie adaptations, I prefer the rip-off counterpart Nosferatu. XD)

Right?? Nosferatu is really fun, and without it we wouldn't have the 'dies by sunlight' trope which tbh I enjoy it. I find it ridiculously funny for traveling-vampire stories where they have to worry about time zones and sunrise/set times.

Well played, well played... claps

If we're going down this route of "did a single work of fiction ruin vampires?", I'm going to say no, Twilight didn't ruin vampires. Every single popular modern vampire novel has ruined vampires. Bram Stoker romanticised vampires. Folkloric vampires were either monsters that preyed on the living, genuine threats in the dark - some traditions had them being barely human, and closer to a slobbering beast, while others had them look human but be monsters - and the horror lay in the fact that someone you loved and was close to could suddenly turn into a monster and need to be killed; it was a betrayal, and an invasion of your safe home.

Folkloric beliefs in vampires was in some cases a way to deal with loss and the fear of death, and in some cases a way to explain the progress of a disease we didn't yet understand - like when an outbreak of tuberculosis triggered the New England vampire panic.

My main problem with Twilight (mind you, I've only watched the first two movies - which are great, if you view them as unintentional comedies) is the way it romanticises an abusive and frankly creepy relationship. I mean, Bella wakes up at one point in the middle of the night, to find and uninvited Edward standing in her bedroom watching her in her sleep. And we're told that she thinks that's cute and romantic instead of incredibly creepy and invasive. Bella literally hurts herself in an effort to be closer to Edward - and we're told to think that's romantic, instead of very worrying and a cause for alarm.

Bella, abandoned by Edward for "her own good", sits motionless in a chair for months, because she simply cannot function without him, and we're told that's romantic - instead of a clear sign of a very unhealthy relationship.

The fact that Twilight vampires sparkle isn't even the start of what's troubling about those books. I mean, I haven't even gotten to the bit where the werewolf dude basically falls in love with a newborn infant. :T

Anyone who's lost their faith in vampire stories needs to stop what they're doing, go out and get a copy of The Passage and shut themselves in a hole for the next 4 months (seriously, it's as big as a brick)

Either that, or watch this. SERIOUSLY, WATCH THIS:

Nah, It's just a fad. Give it time to be forgotten. On the other hand you should maybe be even excited since the audience for vampire-stories is now wider than ever. smile Same is happening with zombies.

I always thought twilight was pretty innocuous, even at its worse. Vampires are sorta timeless and will be reinvented till oblivion. People are gonna humanize them or cast them in weird situations or whatever it's not a big deal as far as I am concerned. The Witchers take on vampires is pretty interesting (I've only read the novels, not played the games.) So that's modern right?

As far as the modern look is concerned eh.

eh is all I have to say.

Not to mention she was even throwing herself to danger just to see him because she had hallucinations from all this depression :/

Because of that there's so many pedo jokes around Jacob lol.

No way, vampires are still very interesting. Can't say I actively seek them out but when I come across them I don't roll my eyes. Twilight and what it has/hasn't done for the vampires doesn't really come into it, it's about the creators all the different spins they put on them.

Here's a comic on this site containing vampires that I'm enjoying immensely : Sweet Talk1

And another I cannot stop reading: Thicker Than Blood2

If the characters and the story were well-written, it wouldn't have ruined vampires. Regardless of the concept and the author's take on vampires, what ruined it was that the story sucked and a lot of people liked it. That is what ruined vampires on romantic stories, not the stupid sparklyness.