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Nov 2022

First, pardon my not-so-good English. Let's start the discussion.
I'm pretty sure that you have already know about AI-generated art. Let's watch this youtube video:


Now AI is getting better at generating art even better than me and maybe some of you artists, which is really crushing my mood to draw, and want to stop making webcomics. Why? Because it's not that easy to draw with hand, it takes years to hone drawing skills.
If you watch the video, generating art is not free, they use credit, I'm not sure what kind of credits but maybe some kind of top-up with money to get the credits for use to generate art from texts.

So, making a webcomic, drawn by hand manually or digitally, I think shouldn't be free anymore like read for free in the near future, so that the artist can keep drawing and making webcomics. What do you think?

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I totally agree. Like 100%

I realize that in my discord chat under "art and character descriptions" it is nearly all ai made art. I get really discouraged when I spend a long time making something and get maybe a "good job" whereas some other golks can whip up an AI image and get a lot of praise.

I feel like webtoon or tapas should have a different section called "AI" as it really is getting irritating.

Every day I hear about AI generated images fears. The more I slowly die. From hearing the same thing over and over agian

First of of I wouldnt worry so much about it. Cus

A) copy right wise AI art is sketchy at best, and legal nightmare at worst. Alot of these AI compnaies are pretty much liars on how thier shit generated. Laws take a while to catch up, but I feel in a few years we'll be seeing "NO AI art" on alot of diffrent art sites

B) Its not easy to draw in the same way its not easy to be a photographer, but rando's with google images and photoshop are not putting putting photographers out of business or even smart phones. Vocaloid have not replaced singers or musicans

C) That isnt anything new, Lazu comics and some tapas premiums are on a pay as you go model. Alot of comics are patreon exclusives. That idea is not new, in fact alot of comics do that.

D) No would not fix the main issue period, cus people read free to read comics to get a free to read story. ALot of digital and traditional artists can work on them just fine. Why in god's name would I waste cash on AI when I can learn for free and not worry about copy right and get a pic EXCATLy as I want and not spin the ai art carnival wheel for something close enough.

E) I feel its best artist just ignore the tech space and just keep going cus like it all stupid. Alot people like to praise a shiny new thing before getting bored or frustrated and leave.

Can AI be used to draw sequential panels? Iā€™ve seen people use it to make stand alone illustrations, but how would it handle things like character consistency etc. :thinking:

What @Legendofgenii said. It cannot do consistent stuff. And it still mostly doing better at "abstract" pictures, you won't be able to make your characters exactly as you want them, picture after picture while making them actually do things you need them to do.
And, to be fair, you can close your comic under a paywall right here right now, before AI went to get all those Webtoon and Tapas front pages. Many artists are only showing their art (or most of their art) for money.

I mean donā€™t get me wrong, I enjoyed using Artbreeder to make realistic portraits of my characters! Thereā€™s no possible way I couldā€™ve had this if I tried!

However, if AI was to take over artists as a whole, art as we know it is doomed. Nothing, not even with the most sophisticated of the technology we have should replace the humanity that art is and always should be. In that sense of AI, along with deepfake technology I am intrigued yet terrified by our future.

About that, I think you feed the AI information about your character like your character design images of the face, and expressions, and train the AI from the information you have given. This could be a possible feature, who knows?

I think there is room and an audience for everything.
There is a huge interest in AI because it is fascinating.
But there is no reason why it crush your mood

Yes I couldnā€™t agree with you more, AI is fascinating and really cool! However, Iā€™m concerned it would replace the humanity in art.

I find it fascinating to be honest, and Iā€™m still on the fence whether it will be good or bad for artists.

Will people still hire trad artists? Sure!
Will many big companies go with AI to save a buck? SURE!
Will it damage some peoples careers because of this? I really do think so.
Will there be a growing return appreciation for clients wanting hand drawn/painted work?
The more I think about it this very could be the case. And learning trad skills is important moving forward,
This "AI is just copying other things" well.... um...
We as humans are effectively copying everything from our environment, what we see, what we hear and what we experience to create.
AI is indeed in that early stage where it creates something from something else
But..
We do this. We just are not always aware we do this. But we do.
AI will advance. How it effects you personally is another matter. If creating makes you happier then create regardless of technical advancements. AI isn't going to stop you. It might prevent you from making a career at certain companies who choose the AI route, But would you really want to work for a company that does not appreciate your art?
But yes...my comic is hand drawn gimme all the money! XD

Interesting insight. Yes! It could be cool if I did that. I mean I only did these too imagine what my characters could look like as real people.

my thoughts exactly. I bet when cameras were first invented, artists thought they would be out of work but they're still here and kicking.

I have strong feelings towards paywalling, it creates a sense of bitterness. People will find a way to share and experience your work if they want it enough, it's impossible to prevent that. But I think art should be free to enjoy regardless. Ai generated images have no bearing on whether real artwork should be free.

This image was generated by Midjourney, main prompt is "cyberpunk alley at night"
And this is the result:

And after tweaking a little bit, simplify filter and adding bloom effect, there you get anime style background, only took about 5 minutes! just crazy!

crazy!

Simple fact tho is that the audience don't care.

For them a comic isn't a piece of art to be studied or admired. It's a passing distraction while they're on the toilet or bus. Something they scroll through at breakneck speed. And if an AI delivers that distraction as well or better than you or me, they'll roll with it.

Since writing for popular media is as formulaic as can be (have you seen a Marvel movie?), and the public has shown a great willingness to throw huge piles of money at formulaic, AI generated scripts won't matter either once the hiccups are coded out.

And they've been conditioned to not pay for content, so we're not surviving that way.

Plus every company's goal is to make all of the money on the planet regardless of how they do it. Naver Webtoon, for example, is pretty naked in its exploitation of its content creators and you can be guaranteed that once Robot Artist can pump out its own version of All Of Us Are Dead to sell to Netflix, their flesh and blood creators will be shown the door. A harddrive on a shelf in Seoul will be far more profitable for them than Joo Dong-geun.

tl;dr- You're right to be worried about replacement because we all will be ASAP. And we'll be the only ones shedding a tear over it cuz "capitalism".

I gotta say, if there is an agreement in the future to make all hand drawn webtoons paywalled, I'm going to betray the shit out of you and keep posting my stuff for free anyway. My #1 priority is making my work accessible to as many people as possible; I AM going to be selfish about this.

This is the problem with commodifying passion-based work in general; capitalism is pretty much a game of hard-to-get, but if you're passionate about something, everyone knows you're 'easy to get' and I'd rather just admit that instead of playing the game. I feel like in an ideal world, we'd focus on maximizing everyone's free time (which should be the purpose of automation) and only treat as 'work' the logistically helpful stuff that keep us going and operate more efficiently (food, internet etc), and stuff like art would be stuff people do in their free time if they want to.