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Aug 2022

Nope, and that’s a good thing :+1:. We don’t need toxic people causing problems to this forum, and it’s really nice to have courteous people.

I've had a bit of harassment before here yes, it's been resolved.
But mainly the issues I have seen in the past, that there is a positivity police kind of mentality where unless you have a happy stance on something, you might get doxxed.
I've seen several very intelligent and well spoken people either get straight up banned for having strong (yet valid) opinions, or hounded until they leave by other users who disagree with them. Some of them left of their own will when they realized there was no point to even speak out.

The forums are a shell of what they used to be even back in 2018. It's one of the reasons I don't hang out here as much. It's boring, there's no spice of interesting yet civil disagreements and discussion of opinions.

Years ago there was this one person who started out OK and nice, but I am not sure what happened. I guess they got caught up with a online group obsessed with conspiracies and was groomed into believing extremely sexist, racist, antisemitic, and homophobic things. And I think the mods could not take their drama anymore and just permabanned them.

I found it sort of sad because I hear this happens with some young men on the internet, they end up with a bad crowd and it morphs their mind. I do hope they did eventually escape that bubble of the internet.

I haven’t experienced much harassment here. Although, there have been a few people on the forums who have chosen to go out of their way to point out things I said that they didn’t like for one petty reason or the other. The best I could do in those situations is ignore them. And if they did bug me again, I just stay off the forums for a while.

Overall, it’s a pretty chill community.

I've been harrassed a few times, including DMs on at least three occasions, (and even one person who continued to harrass me in DMs on the main site when banned from the forums), but not so much recently. Since the discord started up, a lot of the people who just want to rant have moved over there instead, and the mods here have generally been good at tackling this stuff.

There has historically been a bit of an issue, which I've heard many times from different people, with the forums being a bit hostile towards people with larger subscriber counts (and not even that big in the grand scheme of things, like over 500 subs), especially if they happen to be LGBTQ+ and create content themed in LGBTQ+, BL or GL. It's why you don't see a lot of people with larger sub counts here. There's often a bitterness towards people who have managed to build a larger audience on the platform rather than an eagerness to learn how they did it or to try to replicate their success through emulating their methods.

It does seem to be better these days, but the reputation still lives on, sadly. I mostly post here just to try to help other people out 'cause I like doing it, and if I want to talk to people about relateable problems being in that annoying middle zone of a few thousand subs, I go to private discords because so few people around that level feel comfortable posting here. It's a shame though, because when I was a newbie, hanging out on places like the Sweatdrop forums, where I could get advice from people a bit further along in their comics development with professional experience, or success in doing the things I wanted to do in a casual, accessible way was so useful to me.

Well not really, the worst that happened was a individual or two pushing me when I was in a bad mindset

Come across the occasional troll sometimes.

I tend to steer clear of any arguments or heated discussions. It gives me anxiety. :sweat_smile:

Pretty much what @nathanKmcwilliams and @darthmongoose said. I've seen some dogpiling here and there, as well as a bit of intolerance when it comes to certain viewpoints of people from non-US/English speaking countries. Admittedly I've probably done a little dogpiling myself without thinking about it. There was definitely a push for fluffy/positive mentalities that seemed to come around when there was a wave of censorship of uncomfortable or adult queer stuff going around social media. Haven't seen it so much here anymore, but the forum is pretty much made up of like 15 regulars and the occasional rando coming in the promote their stuff. With Tapas no longer promoting it, and using Discord instead.

Also Darth's point on the hostility towards creators with larger subs. Hooo boy, remembering a promo thread that popped up for creators with 1k or more subs (A single thread in a sea of promo thread for everyone.), some folks got so butthurt. x'D

(Honestly surprised I haven't been dogpiled or pushed off the forum yet. I go hard on uncomfortable shit, and controversial viewpoints, but I can be kinda parasitic with forums. Lmao!)

I wouldn't call it harassment per se, but I feel like when I initially got here there was a small population of forum users who just wanted someone to be mad at, and being an opinionated young clown I was often chosen to be that person. ^^; There was definitely a period where topics I chose to discuss "didn't belong on the forum" simply because I was the one starting them, apparently...

Fortunately, those people have moved on, and I've mellowed out, and things are a lot calmer now. ^^ A little dull, but calm and peaceable.

No. But I always observing heated threads and learn from them. :slight_smile: (it may have discouraged me to start some topics)

Favoritism from the uppers and dogpiling the lesser accepted opinions have been around but anyone who points it out is promptly ostracized for it. The people above calling it positivity police pretty much nailed it. Don't ever let dissent exist and problems will never arise.

/rant

I read a lot but rarely comment. Lots of very helpful and informative conversations of course, hence I hang around.

I haven't personally, but I've just recently started using the forums. Actually, I think forums in general are a lot quieter than they used to be, since people mostly go to big centralized sites these days....could be one reason why.

I find it strange how some people are reminiscing about the "good old days" of the forums, when I remember it being sort of a shit show when I first joined. They used to allow political talk but it got banned because people were using it to argue about the US election and to post anti-LGBT or racist shit. There was also this guy who was in a cult and would randomly show up to the forums to rant about how we were all going to hell, it was a bit insane. I remember trying to talk to him about getting help because he seemed to have had a hard childhood and sort of joined the cult instead of seeking professional help.

I think the quietness on the forums might be less of people being harassed off, and more that most people nowadays prefer Discord over the forums. I don't go on the Tapas Discord because I had people get mad at me for being queer and I have seen people post transphobic stuff and the mods just ignore it. People being awful is still here, it's just not on the forums.

I avoid the Discord as well, only posting to put friends' stories on the recommendations channel. I regret the one time I did try to take part in the chat.

That is the most random, unorganized mess I've seen for supposedly well-specified channels. Every single channel is a general off-topic chat. And its like walking into a middle school classroom at that. So @NickRowler when you say you were harassed for that, I will believe you.

And yeah, I forgot to concur with that point about many leaving the forums to go to the Discord chat.

Yeah, I get what you mean; I've talked about some pretty controversial stuff in some comments here that I've seen others get death threats for in other places, but people have been surprisingly understanding ^^;

I can see that tbh; envy is real, and I'm not just saying that in a 'pshhh people suck amirite?' kind of way - I've felt it myself. With me I do feel slightly less comfortable with more successful creators because I'm afraid of looking like I'm only trying to be friends with them to take advantage of them since I see people complaining about 'fake friends' all the time, but idk if I'm just making excuses for what's actually just envy XD

But yeah, these days it looks to me that people here generally respect and look up to you - admittedly because you give good advice but I feel like having the sub count to back it up is also a factor.

Honestly, I hate people sucking up to me and can usually spot it. It's one thing to appreciate my advice and help, but when somebody lays on the flattery too thick I'm a bit like "eugh..." because I hate insincerity, and I know I've pissed off my share of people who said a bunch of nice things about me and then I didn't promote them or subscribe to their comic. I don't give out compliments that I don't really mean, and I don't promote things unless I genuinely think they're good. If people want to subscribe to my comic, well, that's great, thanks! but I shouldn't feel under obligation to sub to theirs, and the same rules apply to them; if I ever sub to your comic or give you a shout-out, you don't owe me anything.

I want people to think of me as just a peer with more experience, mostly just gained through literally being older than a lot of people here, so I've been making comics since last century! 2k subs feels like a lot to people with like 200 or fewer, but you really need about 30k+ to earn a living on the platform, so it's not like I'm incredibly successful or giving up my day job any time soon :sweat_02:. I'm really just somebody who can probably give advice based on having made every mistake in the book at least once and learned the hard way so you don't have to, or as somebody who has finally gained access to the kind of info the industry frustratingly keeps close to the chest and wants to freely distribute it because oh my god, book publishing in my country is SO damned incestuous and full of posh people who just help out their other posh friends and their annoyingly entitled and privileged, talentless kids.

I've got experience and maybe a bit more of an audience, but I'm a completely open book on how I did it, and I'll happily share information and advice with anyone else who wants to succeed, and probably eventually surpass me. :smile_01:

Le gulp. Having a history of foot-in-mouth syndrome, I've been burnt before, so that's exactly the sort of line that makes me worry. I don't exactly have much faith in the accuracy of people's 'insincerity radar' :'D I do get where you're coming from though, not saying it's wrong to dislike being sucked up to, and it definitely sucks that people act like you're obligated to support their work because they supported yours.

I suppose I'll just keep saying whatever and not-get-mad-at-people-for-not-supporting-my-work (I trust that's all you really want anyways), and try not to worry about what people think of me if I haven't done anything objectively blackmaily :'D

And yeah, it's really cool of you and others to make information and resources available to anyone willing to make use of it, so people with potential don't get stuck and have their ideas languish in obscurity because they had no means of realizing them :]

I don't think it's so much understanding as it is they'll just not engage with you if they don't like what you said. Like, I doubt most people here agree with and/or understand my viewpoint on transgressive fiction... At least I assume that based on past experiences. xD But that's how it should be with the internet, if someone doesn't like another person's viewpoint they shouldn't engage. (Unless that person is literally dangerous/doing harm.)