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Sep 2021

So I've started writing my first long webtoon, but as the title says, I've hit a pretty weird roadblock right off the bat. this webtoon is based on a song, and I got a lot of ideas for how to adapt elements of the lyrics and instrumental into story components - I've got a thematic statement, ideas for a few characters and their arcs, vague ideas for the setting, a plot structure with a bunch of beats, and even ideas for tone, pacing and symbolism.

but whenever I try to think "okay, what's the premise of this story?" all I have is "MC needs to save her kidnapped loved one as she discovers her new powers" which is not only incredibly cliche, but it's also very... bare bones. it doesn't feel like an actual story idea. I brainstormed and asked myself "what's the coolest story concept I can make from this song" but all I got was variations of that premise I wrote above in different genres. it feels like I have so many components, yet I'm missing something crucial, and I have no idea what.

have any of you had this problem before? even if you didn't, I'd love to hear any ideas about what I should do. and if you have any tips about basing a webtoon off a song, I'd love to hear those as well!

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Write it out of order. I've seen other stories where they're told out of order and are in parts and it's up to the reader to put that together. It's not super common, but it's very interesting when done well. You just need to make sure that there's a firm timeline or an event to place "in the timeline" for a reference point.

so you mean I should start working on the characters or setting or something even though I don't have a solid idea for the actual story?

I'd say it pretty much depends, but basically, most things come by actually starting.
For example, I get most ideas randomly and start thinking, if they would fit with the overall plot and how they could be implemented, it comes pretty much naturally with building up the world and characters.

A premise can be as basic as possible, but I think it rather gets more interesting when things evolve into a very different thing than it starts with! Like, what's gonna happen after your MC saves her loved one? Is it gonna be the conclusion or can you go even further from that?
In one of my favorite jrpgs of all time, the premise starts off with "killing all the robots for revenge" and it evolves into "we have to kill god to save the universe" with giant plot twists along the way. It could've ended with just getting revenge on those robots, but even they - as the first presumed antagonists - had a backstory of their own, which made the world all the more complex. Of course, you can still have your MC save their lover at the end, but implement everything inbetween.

I agree with @nostalgicroxas about having maybe a timeline at hand, for reference, it helps a lot most of the time and helps with staying consistent. Also, take as much time as you need with coming up with a solid plot/direction you want to take the story into, since it can basically change over night with a tiny idea that can suddenly pop up. And if you think it's good enough, just start and see where things lead you to :3

I've had similar problems. I've related characters back to the theme and made that the premise. Even a cliché story can be unique when the theme is included. Perfect example is the Isekai genre. "Protagonist gets reincarnated in another world" is a meme all in of itself. But the little differences give them their flair. Even something simple as "but" can make it unique. Going back to Isekai: "Protagonist gets reincarnated in another world, but the Protagonist's team are all lovable idiots" (Konosuba). Or "Protagonist gets reincarnated in another world, but they're just a slime now" (That Time I Reincarnated as a Slime).

Use the theme to develop the premise and the premise is based on the theme. If I can use your premise and make things up as an example: "MC needs to save her kidnapped loved one as she discovers her new powers, but she's only 10 years old" (the weight a child has to carry and how a child views an unknown world) or "MC needs to save her kidnapped loved one as she discovers her new powers, but she too addicted to Horror Movies". (Obsessions and Escapism)

...Hopefully I understand what a premise is or none of this made any sense.

seems to me you just discovered the difference between having a "concept" and a "story".

I fell into that trap too. I had a really cool concept and when I tried to draw it I realized I kept hitting a wall. I didn't know where I was going. That's when I realized I had no story.

I had ideas, like you, about story beats and character moments. "The betrayal will be so cool!" and "this death will have huge impact!" but again these are just elements of a story not an actual story in itself. It's just a concept of a story.

Maybe keep workshopping it, or put a pin on it later. maybe you just don't quite have the experience to tell the story you want to tell yet. For example if you never written a novel before you can't just hop in a write A song of Ice and Fire in your first go of it.

Best of luck!

It sounds like you have all the "whats", but need to find the "hows". Get to know your characters' motivations (She saves her lover because she loves them, for example, is pretty weak, y'know?). Taking time to meditate on them as individuals might help you set up and figure out they journey more clearly :slight_smile:

I had this problem to some degree....got a concept, some character designs and even a magic system, but no story to use it. In the meantime i saved those ideas for a time i had a clearer picture of what i wanted my story to be about.

Take it with calm, don't rush it. if you feel inspired, dig deeper and discover the story. What worked for me was the thought of the characters making the plot happen.Thinking what they want and what they will do to get it. This led to naturally form conflicts because some of these character goals were incompatible or two or more were fighting to get the same thing, and as time went on, the story started getting more structure.....

When i got ready and built some buffer, i started uploading.

Yep, I wrote a story like that. But not even sure it's complete because, well, it's out of order, so even after the end it might drag on and on and on....... LOL

PS - My example is NOT any evidence that it's a particularly successful way to write. :sweat_smile:

thanks! your advice helped me a lot more than I was expecting it to. I managed to come up with a "but" that made the story more unique using the main theme. somehow it feels like the best premise I ever came up with lmao
talk about a turnabout!

thank you to everyone else who replied as well!

Another thing I'd like to add is: know your characters. How would they react to certain situations. Are they passive or active.
How do they influence the story? Are they the reason their loved ones got kidnapped? Does the main antagonist know your Mc on a personal level (evil relative, friend turned evil, pet that got abandoned and now wants revenge....)

Also, there is a difference between character driven stories and/or plot driven stories (where the overall concept is more important than the characters).
Many stories are character driven with a concept woven around the MC e.g. Sherlock Holmes. He'd be only half as much interesting if it werent for his quirks.
The avengers wouldn't be as engaging without their funny banters.
There are several stories with an amazing concept but boring characters.
I had a similar problem and figured that the emotional development is as important as an epic battle.
(E.g. an epic battle where your Mc has to fight for their families honor, and it has been shown previously shown that the Mc cares deeply about family, will be much more engaging)

Just my two cents ^^

I was exactly the opposite. I have the stories' plots but could not write any good songs. Although the songs were good in my head, but when I tried to write those down, they became terrible.
For writing story's plots, my steps are:
1. Write whatever you have in your mind down
2. Put them in numbers
3. Roll dices and connect the numbers / Or you could just connect them without the dice
4. Fill in whatever details to make senses to the story.
5. Put them in timeline
6. Voila! You have yourself a decent story

The steps only took a day or two to complete.

Get plain old notebook, write ANYTHING that pops in your head, then you can connect it in big story.
Few years ago idea about vampires being ruling class/race popped in my head (this isn't the novel im working on right now ) and little by little i managed to come up with whole world ( hierarchy, powers, laws, complete characters, etc....) if i were to write it now it would be three or four books in the series .
Find a list of questions for your oc on the internet and fill it out, it could give you more info about your world building