Is anybody currently meeting the requirements for Patreon sponsorship on Line Webtoon?

[AdrenalineShots]

If so, how long did it take you to get there and how many subs do you currently have? Is it realistic for others to try and reach this goal?

[ReroOnyx]

The requirements for LINE Webtoons have notably been changed and for some people, not for the best.

While I can't remember the exact amount needed, it used to be something like this.

If you reached 2,000 subs you got $100 and if you reached the 10,000 sub mark, you got $1,000.

Now you got to reach 10,000 subs just to get $100.

The original may have been a bit different than what I've put down but the main point is, it was FAR easier to get to the requirement for the sponsorship in the past. This of course meant that many people who had originally been under the sponsorship got thrown off. Because even if they have 5,000 or 9,999 subs...that's not 10,000 and so...no money.

Is it realistic? I don't know but for a lot of people it came off as sudden and a bit unfair. In the past, Decent Artists could at least work hard enough to make a bit of money and the greatly talented could make enough to make something of a minor living.

Now though, it feels like the decent artists will never make anything. The greatly talented will struggle to make a $100-200 and honestly, considering what it takes to get to $1,000 (Something like 150K subs) your story is probably being featured anyway.

Needless to say, whether it's realistic or not, things got harder for people.

[AdrenalineShots]

Thanks, wonder why they pulled the rug out so much? Maybe too many people reaching 2,000?

[ReroOnyx]

I would not know but that's just goes to show another problem LINE has. Here on Tapas, there's a forum and a ultimately a way for the staff to get in contact with fellow creators. Anything big that happens here, you'll know. You'll get a message in your notifications and you'll have a forum post pinned at the top of the page.

In Webtoons, you might get a message of some sort or an E-mail if you didn't casually delete it before. However since there's no forum or anything, there's no real way for creators to know exactly what LINE is planning until its too late.

[AllisonGal]

i think they're raising it too high, most people can't even reach it if you look at the list, only very few people got the full $1.000. Realistically, it's either older comics who has many eps and subs who make it or the favorited ones who got huge help from line who can benefit fully. webtoon should've made it less high.

[Nullyish]

The changes are so sudden and big. The way I see it, they maybe think more people are using their site which means easier subs increase for the comics and needed to get their standard raised to keep artist doing their very best.

[PervertOldMan]

It's quite easy to meet the minimum requirements on webtoons if you just think you're making manga for a weekly shoujo magazine, the magic formula is: Anime style + Romance. Like this you will get around 300~400 subs per update, one-page per update is fine, dont need to be 20 pages long per update, as long as each page has something interesting to talk about. 300~400 is an average number, you will get more if your art is super good or your story is super interesting, a good thumbnail is very important. The chance to get into hand pick sections is also higher. Certaintly this is only a formula for creators that aiming for fam & money.

Aiming for telling your stories is a diffrent story. While it's true that there are fantasy/action/thriller readers on webtoons as well, but seems like romance readers is just overwhelming at the moment, webtoons themself look like they want to evolve this way as well. Again, webtoons currently is just like a weekly shoujo magazine, there are chances for other genres, but it's just harder.

[rolling-vegetable]

Aiming for telling your stories is a diffrent story. While it's true that there are fantasy/action/thriller readers on webtoons as well, but seems like romance readers is just overwhelming at the moment, webtoons themself look like they want to evolve this way as well. Again, webtoons currently is just like a weekly shoujo magazine, there are chances for other genres, but it's just harder.

I agree, for me Webtoon definitely looks like a shoujo or josei focused site, while Tapas looks like BL site on first impression.

[Nullyish]

I agree, for me Webtoon definitely looks like a shoujo or josei focused site, while Tapas looks like BL site on first impression.

I can't agree more with Tapas looks like BL site on first impression XD

[rolling-vegetable]

Tbh, I did come to tapas 1 year ago, but didn't stay for even a few minutes because of the first impression. Now I'm here because I found out it is actually not the case after researching potential site to host my comic. Tapas surely need to do something about it unless they intend it to be that way.

For webtoon, I think that is exactly what they want to establish as because majority of their premium comic are romance, since it is probably what works the best in S.Korea. Majority of their S.Korea tv shows also very heavy on romance theme so probably that's why.

[soapcahtoa]

I still meet the requirements after posting for a little less than a year. Minimum used to be 5000 subs for $100, but it's risen since. As for whether or not it's feasible to obtain, it's all about how well your comic caters to the audience and whether or not you get lucky/already have an existing fanbase.

[LordVincent]

Tbh, I did come to tapas 1 year ago, but didn't stay for even a few minutes because of the first impression. Now I'm here because I found out it is actually not the case after researching potential site to host my comic. Tapas surely need to do something about it unless they intend it to be that way.

The only thing tapas could do to "do something about it" would be to purposefully break the algorithm and make all gay comics have to fight harder to get noticed on the same level playing field, or remove all categories in which gay comics are most visible from the front page just to push them away from "first impression".

So... basically what traditional media has done for years.
I hope you realize just how homophobic it would be if they did that.

From what I've heard, tapas does not have any intention to intentionally drag down creators for any such reason. And if they were to ever do such a thing, a huge part of their audience and most popular creators would leave in an instant because we will not stand for any such thing. There would be almost nothing left of the site.

[Pandastrophic]

My comic still meets the requirments for being in the program when it comes to subs and views, although it's not as much as I used to make with them before I'm personally still happy with amount. I don't think the amount of subs it takes is unrealistic, if you keep regularly updating and advertising your comic you'll hopefully find a good fanbase.

The main reason they made the requirements higher is so that they can keep the program running longer, I was on the program from the first few months it started and it was only supposed to run for like a year. Throughout the year more and more people where able to join the program (with the old requirements) but the list was really huge and while it's great that a lot of people are able to monitize their work i don't think LINE would have been able to keep the program running with the older requirements.
Some comics are reaching up to 200k in followers, the standards aren't the same as when they first started the program where 30K was the most popular comic and LINE has to keep the patreon program with that standard. I wish there was another way to monitize on LINE especially for people with lower sub counts, I heard rumors of having ad revenue?? but I'm not sure...

[rolling-vegetable]

purposefully break the algorithm

Nope, I didn't meant it that way, in fact they should not break the algorithm to unfairly give to some other less popular comic. I think you misunderstood me, but hey I think it's my fault too because I did not explain my experience in more details.

What I'm trying to say is, I think the site looks different in a way back then, and a lot of the thumbnail has BL label engraved in it, my thought back then was "Oh! this site is not like webtoon, there's probably no action shounen comic here" then I moved on. I would say the problem is actually how the site is presented, comparatively Webtoon assigned colours to label the genre, unlike Tapas, the genre label is extremely dimmed even until today, it almost looks like they trying to hide it or something. In webtoon, at least I can tell right away it has diverse genre just by the different colour on the genre tags, but back then I thought Tapas is an exclusive BL site.

This is what needs to change (make it very clear that the site has all the genre) unless they intentionally wants it to be that way. Tapas need a way to tell first timer on the site "We have everything here! Come and stay!" way much louder than how it is doing right now. Quick solution would be just do it like webtoon, put colours on the genre tags, make the font bigger, not making it looks like it is purposely trying to hide it like now.

[sushy00]

That they focus so much on BL is a shame indeed. Nothing wrong with the genre, but there is so much more out there on Tapas!

[A-weird-girler]

Guess whaaaaaatttttttt?..............No

[Zugaikotsu]

Is not a shame, it's what is popular. It's chosen by the audience. Go fight the crowd, if you want, but that's the trend. Same way the trend in Webtoons, per example, is harlequin-esque romance, full of love triangles.

I still think that instead of being so bitter about this or that genre, it would be a better move try to improve your own stuff and find your audience. Scurry and Ghostblade are doing quite well here in Tapas, and are far away from being BL/Romance.

[Zugaikotsu]

Getting back to the topics, tho... many people managed to get the pledge. I think their plan was to make it harder, so the money would last for more time, as many already pointed out.

[sushy00]

A fair point ^^; I have no interest in fighting the crowd, I guess I should find my audience indeed.

[ratique]

No more BL or not BL discussions, please return to the topic.