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So I've been refraining from coming here for this but it's now getting to the point that it's driving me absolutely insane.

So for the last four years - five in December - I've been stuck at the same sub count. Sometimes hitting 3.3k but I can't remember the last time I actually hit that number, it's been stuck at 3.2 - more specifically, 3,262, for as long as I can remember and I'm getting suspicious.

And it all started when I uploaded this stupid episode.14

Yes, I was a part of the 2015 Winterfest alongside other great comic artists and writers such as Potoo Gryphon, Joanne Kwan, Windy, Anna Landin, Feyuca, Keiiii, and many others. It was a golden era but that's an old man rant that I will save for another day.

Obviously, the 2015 Winterfest got me a huge influx of subs due to the nature of the event and its advertising across the forums and main site. I went from like, 1.5k to 3k in a matter of days. It was great, at the time.

But since then, I haven't gone past 3,262. At first, I assumed it was due to the fact that once the event was over, people lost interest in the actual comic (which is fine, Time Gate's not for everyone lol) and unsubbed once the reading list notifications started coming in again with regular postings that didn't pertain to the event.

But it's been nearly five fucking years.

I'm not convinced that this is still just a ripple effect from that event. I've been foolishly convincing myself it had to be some domino effect for the last 4+ years but I'm putting my foot down.

Is anyone else stuck like I am? (I don't even know who I can turn to about this who's still around since that event because so many creators have 86'd this place).

Honestly I can't even believe it's been nearly half a decade, ffs. So basically a year into Time Gate's publication, which has been on Tapastic since November 2014. Its contributing episode for the 2015 Winterfest officially went up December 2015. So yeah, Time Gate's been in the same place sub-wise for 90% of its time on Tapas.

That being said, Time Gate: Reaper's traffic has gone down in the past couple years, as a fault of my own for going on hiatus for quite some time. But I know a lot of my regulars have stopped utilizing this website as well so I've been doing what I can.

The reason this is such a problem is because my sub count should by all accounts be going up. Even if it's only slowly.

Here's a monthly look of the past year of sub counts:

And the likes/comments/update schedule since April 2019 (much more consistent nowadays though with little breaks here and there to accommodate for event planning/real life/holidays/etc.):

Again, going up slowly, and a lot of the last year has been recovering from a 2 year hiatus between 2017 and late 2018/early 2019 but still stuck at the same stupid number. I'm basically losing one sub for every sub I gain and it's so on point in its timing that the number hasn't budged.

Maybe I'm answering my own question here with the hiatus that I went on (and the fact that we're all aware Tapas' trending tabs and free-to-read sections are broken in a lot of ways). But again, this has been the last 4+ years, and that hiatus didn't happen until late 2017, two years after the Tapas Winterfest episode went up. Two years is still a long time for such a ripple effect of subbing/unsubs if we account for solely pre-hiatus.

So idk if Tapas has just been automatically deactivating spam/dead accounts that had been subbed and it's just happened on par with my sub count. Maybe me making at least one sub per update is what's making the difference between 3.2 and 3.0k.

But if people were unsubbing that quickly and regularly, I feel like it would eventually outweigh the subs I've gotten, because again, it's not a lot. So I'd at least dip down from 3.2 to 3.1 at some point, but it hasn't happened. Honestly I'd be fine with it going down at this point because at least then I'd know the stupid thing works and is actually moving.

I'm hoping why y'all are seeing why I'm so frustrated here. Years ago, I accepted that it could be a Winterfest ripple effect, but after all this time it feels like I'm stuck in some looping glitch that just hasn't been spotted yet and it's quickly turning me into a batty loon.

I guess I'm just checking to see if anyone else has been having this issue. Maybe it's just a result of being a relic from 2014-era Tapas, many of my usual regulars from 2014-2017 have abandoned the site as a whole. And Time Gate just doesn't have a place in Tapas' current demographic so anyone who does happen to see and click on Time Gate for the 2 seconds it's in the Fresh page (for those that actually visit the Fresh page) doesn't feel like subbing. I honestly don't know.

It'll be five years in December. I'm so tired.

I'm gonna go upload the next batch of pages to Webtoons now :pensive:

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So are you saying to you, this number is staying the same in a seemingly glitch manner? Or your subs have seem to stagnated and stay around that 3,262 mark. Because I just pressed the subscribe button, just to see it on my end, and it went to 3,263.

It's stagnated in a way that's very infuriating after 4+ years with a sub/unsub loop that just doesn't seem to want to break.

I've definitely seen it hit 3,263, but it usually drops back down to 3,262 within a matter of hours. So it's discouraging as hell, especially after years of this.

Thank you for testing it for me though to prove that it's (hopefully) not some glitch. It just feels like I'm stuck in some sick game of loop de loop lmao

I've seen 3.3k once and it was years ago, and I believe it was when Tapas still did 'early cutoffs' with their sub count. Like a long time ago, the post-decimal digit would go up without it needing to be at an increment of 100. So you'd think it would go up to 3.3k when it hit 3,300 but no, it would happen at 3,270 or something wacky like that. I'm assuming they've fixed that system to make it more accurate/sensible since then so that it doesn't change until it actually hits that next 100 increment.

Well then, in that regard, I don't know how to help you. My only "comic" is an archive of a now deleted one, so I'm not really focused on total subs.

All I can thing of is etiher:
1. Upload at times where more people are likely to be on Tapas (such as during the daytime, Friday/Weekends.)
or
2. If you have a place to promote it, do so. These might be social media accounts, Tapas self promotion threads, etc.

Otherwise, I personally can't thing of much else, maybe someone more experienced here may have more to say.

On the note of 3.3k showing at 3,270, I think it's just a glitch with the site's overall counter. I can't verify it for myself, but I know reddit has a very similar issue with it's karma counter. It'll show the next hundredth, say 3.3k karma, when it's usually around the 50's (in this case, around 3,250k). So maybe it's just an issue with how some sites and their counters are set up.

Tapas seems to have a similar issue with it's time since uploaded counter. It'll jump from 45mins to 1 hour, a issue with it's comics, and I think on the forum and it's posts as well. So that seems in line with that issue. I don't think it's an issue they'll fix because
1. It isn't that important in the grand scheme of things
2. It's probably connected to something else, and changing it might just cause more issues to the site
and
3. They've got enough on their plate already, with the mess that was this redesign. So they're probably still fixing glitches, waiting out the clock to make us forget about things they've promised/said they were thinking about, and bringing the site to the Webtoon standard.

Not gonna lie, it keep happens to our groups comic...but at much MUCH lower numbers.

It's like you hit a number...and there's a special algorithm designed to keep you in that pocket.

Sucks.

I feel you, that is really discouraging. I feel like sometimes (or all of the time, in my case) projects sort of reach a wall where they don't gain traction anymore and it's like...welp...that's where this project is gonna stay.

I don't get the math exactly when it comes to why the number stays just virtually the same where you gain a person and lose a person just every couple of days--but I've seen those signs many times before, (not on Tapas because I've only been here for a few years and I rarely look at my stats on this site, but this has happened to me in other places I've posted things.) It's pretty normal for a project to plateau.

And I don't know if it's necessarily the internet at work here or just how...writing stories work. This comic carries the art you drew 5 years ago. If you do a new one starting with where you're at right now, it'll only do better. Trust me, as a person who's written a lot of scattered comics on the internet--sometimes the solution is to do another side project that is more fun for you. If it isn't fun anymore, isn't growing, isn't making that dollar, eh shelve it and do something else that is fun.

Yeah see like it only just so happens by chance that I'm at the number I'm at. I'd be just as infuriated if I was stuck at 12,343 subscribers or 15 subscribers. Stuck is stuck. And I've been stuck in the same place statistically for going on 5 years now with no amount of effort (or lack thereof) making a difference. I'm just as surprised my sub count hasn't dropped severely below the number I'm at now due to the hiatus I was on for a couple years (and again, considering I seem to lose a sub for every sub I gain... why do these people who unsub wait until I gain new subs lmao I mean technically it's an unsub that happens when they get the notification and are like "whoop let's get rid of that" but this has been the case for 4+ years and through an extended hiatus. So it's like... why. Just move. Do something besides sitting at the same number lol)

EDIT: I just checked out your comic's stats and while your sub count isn't in the hundreds yet, your audience engagement is way higher. I get maybe 1-2 comments on each update that I put up, despite that 3.2k sub count. The majority of my subscribers are just flat out dead accounts at this point.

So maybe I'm just being a salty old man who misses their old community lol All of the people who used to engage with my comics (and vice versa) have long since disappeared and the community that was once here just isn't the same as the one before. Hell, I know many artists and community members left Tapastic after that whole Right of First Refusal BS that happened back in 2017/2018 and many of them were people that I enjoyed collaborating and communing with here. Not to say a community shift is a bad thing, obviously there are wonderful members of the community today as well, but it's like putting a baby boomer in a room full of Gen Z'ers and expecting them to understand one another.

I understand that concept and I'm honestly perfectly fine with it. I barely capitalize on my work as it is - my Patreon has been reduced to a tip jar, I don't charge for the complete novelized edition of the comic, etc. because I don't do this for a living and I don't want to try. I'm a tattoo artist and I make a decent living through that while maintaining a great work-home life that isn't too overbearing so I'm in a very fortunate situation where I can give up the pursuing of financial gain from my comics.

But when you're stuck in the same place for so long, it does start to grate on you. There's a reason why I've still been doing this after 4 years of it. Time Gate: Reaper started in 2014, and this sub/unsub loop didn't start until 2016. I care about what I do and I don't plan on stopping due to some slowing statistics. But it doesn't make it any less infuriating. Not discouraging. Just infuriating.

Funny you say that because I've been updating the pages for the first chapter lol :stuck_out_tongue: There will be a bit of culture shock between the first chapter and the following chapters which I'm not planning on redrawing, but I'm hoping the new redrawn opening chapter will be a bit more inviting.

Again though, I will reiterate, I don't plan on giving up this comic series over slowness in traffic. I don't do this for money. I've been working on the series as a whole for 10+ years (officially 10 years of online publication when I first posted the novel versions online as of this past February; so I'd say more accurately I've been working on this series for 11-12 years) so it's gonna take a lot more than stagnation to make me want to stop working on it. I do it for myself first. And I have had other projects on the go here and there, not updated as often, but gag strips and the like. When I started here it was with the Uzuki strips which were basically gag-a-day, I think they only made it to like 1.5k subs. And I stopped doing it mostly because I had started drawing Time Gate: Reaper (and the Uzuki gag strips were based off Time Gate so like... basically just the Soul Eater Not! of Time Gate lol) and wanted to focus more on that. And that's been the last nearly 6 years of my life now lol

This post wasn't regarding whether or not I should 'move on', even if that would be good advice for some scenarios. I feel it just doesn't apply to me.

I've been working on the novelized versions in the meantime. I had uploaded most of Time Gate: Reaper's novelized version to Tapas, and planned to post more, until Tapas updated and destroyed all the by-hand formatting I had done (because they don't have formatting tools beyond Italics and Headers). So that kinda took the wind out of my sails there, the book has been done for like 2 years now so really, at this point, I'm probably just gonna post a PDF doc for anyone who wants to read the entire thing in case I'm not able to muster up the strength to go back through my Tapas version and reformat it. Again.

I'm just sick of seeing 3.2k in the way that it is and was wondering if anyone else has dealt with this to the same teeth-grinding degree. If this is really where Time Gate: Reaper is gonna stay, alright. I think we're just over the halfway mark now anyway. I don't know yet if I'll be drawing book 2 as a comic, we'll see what Tapas' novel functions are like by then. Seeing as how it's taken me 6 years to get to the current point in the story and I probably have another 4-6 years ahead of me just to finish Reaper, probably not, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it lmao

TL ; DR Time Gate is a life project that I've dedicated myself to for the last 10+ years, and I don't plan on giving it up to pursue other projects because any other projects I do pursue will be related to it anyway (novelized versions, derivative gag strips, etc.). Money's not the issue. I enjoy drawing the comic and writing the books. Just general seething rage that Tapas is the only place I've dealt with this while my numbers steadily climb and change (for better or worse) on other platforms. If that makes sense. The validation of others having gone through this helps though. Maybe Time Gate: Reaper's just gonna be one of those indie bands that plays at the same bar with the same 5 fans showing up every night lol

If you're updating the work, maybe it's a viable alternative to relaunch it under a new listing, though. You might be carrying a LOT of dead subs after five years and the algorithm drags you down like an anchor for it. It's stupid, but if this number is really stressing you out and you'll take anything else, well there's this idea. Though I don't think I'd do it myself, at 72 I'm already over the moon and I'd be really scared to give thousands up even to get an active fanbase back.

We're a collective, of sorts, so our engagement is unusual in that it's driven by multiple people in multiple ways... but none of it has helped us escape the various algorithm pitfalls.

The menace and drag of dead accounts is something that I wish they'd directly address in some manner. It seems like nothing but a headache for almost anyone involved.

It might be time to start having deactivation dates, possibly, but in a way that doesn't count as "losing subs" for the comic. Like, if you haven't visited in 2 years and have no published works, your account is removed and the algorithm recalculates the active-to-dead sub ratio on what you were subbed to. It's only going to get worse as the years go by, might as well address it eventually.

I've been having the exact same issue for 6 months on my end. Like you, I'm also extremely unsure whether or not it's something I'm doing wrong, or if it's an algorithm thing. Been consistently updating at the best times I could figure out as well.

This did briefly come to mind while I was tossing about in bed last night lol I don't really want to go about deleting the old series though, considering 1. there's some fanart and such that I've uploaded that I'm not sure is backed up so I don't want to lose them (though I could probably just edit the episodes to see the filename and pray that they're on an external HDD somewhere) and 2. there are years worth of memorable comments from the old community that I don't want to part with :frowning: IDK I just have a lot of fond connections to it. I also don't want to bug my current subscribers to hunt down the new version because it's taking a huge chance that some of them will even notice it's not popping up in their subscription feed (especially with the current on/off updating schedule). Wall posts are okay but not a lot of people check those.

I dunno, maybe I'm just being paranoid lol If I didn't delete the original series, I wouldn't want to re-upload the series either with the old one still live because that just feels ... disingenuous. I'll think over it for sure, considering it's an idea that's already popped into my head and here you are suggesting it haha


That's true, as a collective group you have the advantage of more people to do promotions and such. Even still, seeing as how Time Gate: Reaper's been on Tapas for 5-6 years now, it's disheartening to see the engagement go down rather than up. Especially during this point in the story where shit's really starting to get suspenseful/dark/etc. There's always something going on in the story, of course, as it operates like a manga with arcs that vary in style in its storytelling and the like, but this is one of the biggest, most influential arcs so far.

It's also disheartening because I'll get on average 15-20 likes per new episode the first 24-48 hours after they go up, but maybe 1 comment if I'm lucky. And that one comment is often from one consistent user who only ever comments emoticons lol like I'm glad they like the story but usually it's just a :smiley: or a :cry: or the equivalent of a react button if Tapas had those. So not really engagement but I'm living for those emoticons now lmao So in regards to those like-comment ratio stats, it's like, people read and like, and then move on. It's hard to know if people actually care about the content they're reading when they don't engage. I understand that the comment:like ratio is always gonna be uneven, typically you'll always see more likes than comments by a fair bit, but shit's rough when the number is heavily favored towards likes over comments.

I've noticed a drop in comment engagement on LINE Webtoons as well though. I haven't had any comments on any of my episodes for the last 3 or so updates on Tapas, and it's been around the same for LINE (4 episodes posted in the last few weeks, not a single comment on any of them, but there are typically on average 8-10 likes within the first 24-48 hours of posting, so very similar statistics to Tapas, albeit lower by just a handful). So... idk if this is just reflective of how readers have changed in how they consume and interact with their webcomic media? I know there's been a major shift in how webcomics are presented, marketed and consumed; lately I've noticed that many comics either regularly have 0 comments or 200+ of them lmao The fact that the lack of commenting/engaging is happening on various platforms is... interesting. But again, I don't know if that's a valid observation to make because I don't know if other people are experiencing this in the same way. I'm sure there are, but is it enough to wonder if this is a real trend or just bad luck? Viewing wise, I feel like many people would be reading webcomics more than ever right now with quarantine laws in place just about everywhere lol

I guess all I'm saying in your case is that while your numbers may not be as high as they are, please don't take the engagement for granted. I would happily take a few dozen engaged readers than three thousand dead ones. Considering the bad time I've been having with this for the past 4 years, even though past me only dreamed of hitting the number I'm at now, they wouldn't want to be where I am if they knew what I was dealing with in their future lmao

Dead accounts are something you're going to deal with on any platform, especially any platform that you've been using for a long while, but I agree, it's tiring to deal with when the dead:alive ratio is heavily unbalanced towards the former.


This would be a good way to deal with bot accounts and user storage, but I don't know if it's something that Tapas will ever consider doing, their priorities are obviously focused on their landing page, bug fixes from the recent update and their monetization features.


yeah it feels like no matter what time I update at it makes no difference in the stats lmao Usually I'll update at 2 PM PST time (which is 6 PM where I live), I've started moving that to earlier in the afternoon but it doesn't seem to be making any difference (though I haven't been posting the afternoon times for long so it hasn't been long enough to really make a sound comparison). Might try switching to mornings, but I don't want to make it too early in case it misses that window of opportunity (a window that I feel is very tiny to begin with).

Either way, I hope you're able to break out of this cycle before you reach the point I'm at. It's not a fun place to be in and I 100% empathize with you :frowning:

I checked out your comic btw, I've been thinking that if I do continue on with the comic series after Reaper (which would be the second book, The Child Chapters) I'd be going for more of a 'sketchy' feel to lighten the load of lining and toning (which is already something I can do relatively quick but I still feel like sketching would be a little less stressful lmao) and I've seen other comics be successful with it such as The Demon Road and, well, yours now too haha So seeing your comic drawn in that style gave me confidence to try that out if and when we continue on to the Child Chapters :slight_smile: I especially love your color work, it reminds me a lot of Yoshitaka Amano <3 (the concept artist for the first 6 Final Fantasy games before Tetsuya Nomura, AKA the guy who does all the backsplash logo art for all the games ! )

Anyway, you got a sub from me. If I can't find a way to help my own situation I can at least find a way to help others xD

So as someone who has returned to Tapastic then, does it seem different I friend of mine still publishes her web comic here as well. I could ask her if she noticed her numbers changing.

Updated the comic today, while I appreciate the folks helping me out by subbing to test the counter, the number went back down to 3,263 so one person unsubscribed with the new update lol Like is Time Gate that bad rn?? xD For god's sakes, I made at least 1.5-2k subscribers organically before that Winterfest hike (and the art's improved so much since then as well as the story's course IMO) so people obviously had to like it to some degree at some point lol If y'all wanna unsubscribe from it then by all means, you have the freedom to do so, but can you at least do me the decency of just putting me out of my misery the way of Old Yeller instead of siphoning off my death like some kind of bedlocked vegetable lmao is that being too salty? :stuck_out_tongue: it's currently 3:53 AM here and I'm working on Chapter 56 lol That's my tea for the night :laughing:

I'm confused by the phrasing here, are you asking me that? I did leave Tapastic technically speaking, when I went on a prolonged hiatus that lasted about a year and a half, but I didn't leave in the sense that I was posting elsewhere, Time Gate was literally just frozen in time for a bit. I feel the biggest difference in Tapastic over the years has just been the community shift as well as the structure of the front page and how the website is marketed and branded as a whole.

The community that I worked alongside with has definitely all but disappeared. There are a few people still around of course that I know from way back when, but from what I can tell, far more have left than have stayed and that includes readers (so people without comic series) who were just great at engaging with the community, their favorite comics and authors, and making their voices heard alongside the creators. There's still life here, but it's like a different ecosystem now, if that makes sense.

By all means, if she's going through the same thing, I'd love to hear her input. Things are obviously gonna change all the time but sometimes you notice it more starkly when you've been away for a while. Though I stopped updating Time Gate: Reaper for a little bit back in 2017/2018, I still visited Tapastic and noticed the changes here and there as they happened. It just wasn't until I started updating again that those changes really hit me on a deeper level :slight_frown:

As crazy as this sounds, I actually just started braving comics just now. But will happily check yours out! ( I just got into doing comics late, but here about as long. )

Better to start late than never if you've been itching to! I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for your stuff :slight_smile: Thanks for the support :heart:


also just for disclaimer purposes for the folks either already in this discussion thread or finding it for the first time, i'd like to point out that i'm not like, looking for pity or anything lmao this is legitimately just a "is anyone else going through this" thread so that if other people ARE going through it, we can work together to figure out the cause and possibly help each other through it. mixed with a little "why the fuck am i still dealing with this" :laughing: I just happen to be a cranky fuck over it rn because hey, 4 years of the same algorithmic crap and declining community engagement will wear down anyone, whether or not you're in this for the stat game lmao

I got a new sub today and the number hasn't changed. Will watch over the next few days, too. I don't usually get a ton, but maybe one or two per update.

I don't think you have an unusually low number of comments for the number of views you have per episode.

You seem to get around 100-200 views and around 2-5 comments. I get very similar numbers, if a bit lower on tapas. But I have a lot fewer total subs than you (<200), which indicates to me that you're right about you having a lot of dead subs... maybe even almost all dead subs.

My guess is that this looks like low audience engagement to tapas, which results in your comic being promoted less. Not showing up in related comics, etc.

Maybe re-uploading your pages might work?
Or even split your comic off into a separately posted sequel. Put an update saying what you did on the last page of Time Gate and on the first page of Time Gate: Sequel so that people can find both comics? Maybe the initial influx of loyal fans to Time Gate: Sequel will make it look better to the tapas algorithm, too.

To continue to do such a well illustrated comic for so long, you much have a ton of love and passion for the story. It seems such a shame to me that you're no longer growing, and I hope you can find a solution and a new audience.

Definitely let us know your findings :oo I usually get one or two subs per update as well but the problem is that I also tend to lose one sub per sub I gain and it's very irritating. I wouldn't give a damn if my sub count fell by a few hundred but it's turned into a very long and aggravating ritual that comes with about every update. It's like, at this point it's all I can come to expect now out of each update.

That being said, I'm uploading a new episode that's gonna go up tomorrow evening. I've had a handful of pals on and off Tapas subscribe just to cheer me up and help me get out of this slump, so we'll see if those numbers stay risen after tomorrow's update. I think we're at 3,265 now so I'll be crossing my fingers that tomorrow's update doesn't sink it all again.


I think from memory alone I could confidently say I have maybe 2 users who regularly leave comments, vs. the 10-15 regulars I used to have. And as I mentioned in an earlier post, one of those users likes to just leave emoji reacts with nothing else most of the time lol So like the equivalent of a Facebook react :stuck_out_tongue:

It's definitely a lot of dead subs. Again, I know that going on hiatus for over a year definitely didn't help with that, but I've seen comics go on longer hiatuses and return with much more audience reception than 0.6% (yep, I did the math u o u this is in terms of likes, not comments haha in terms of views, it's more like 5%-6%, on average based on a two week period since an episode's upload. Still pretty low for a subcount like 3k). It might be hipster of me to say, but it just seems that many of my subs were a part of "classic Tapastic" vs. rebranded Tapas and are as a result, gone. I know many of the artists who used to engage with my work (and vice versa) have dropped off the face of this website.

I'm genuinely curious now what factors in to a comic showing up in the related comics tab. Seeing as how that tab only comes up for people who have one series apparently? (like I have more than one series so instead of seeing a related comics or recommended comics tab, it's just my other series that are all pretty inactive at the moment lol). There's still the "Read Next" and "More like this series" categories within the actual comic though, and again, genuinely curious what the algorithm takes into account when generating those comics. Genre and related tags are obviously the draw for "More like this series" but it's hard to say whether "Read Next" is based on page traffic alone or comments and likes as well. I'm just not gonna pretend to know how the Tapas algorithm works haha If it is based on actual engagement though through things like comments, it would make sense why Time Gate: Reaper isn't showing up, well, anywhere.

Considering you're the second person to recommend that and I've already considered it prior to it being recommended the first time, starting to feel like this may be the best route.

I mean, I've already been considering chopping the novel up into two parts lmao the bloody thing is 330,000 words, apparently according to some people that's 'too much' :laughing: (still shorter than Game of Thrones :stuck_out_tongue: ) Considering we're just about at the halfway mark now of the comic, I might consider splitting it either now, with Volume 7 having just started, or after the current arc we're dealing with. The latter isn't really as appealing tbh because it could be another several weeks before this volume is done as it's LITERALLY just started lol And that's a gracious estimate as I'm getting lots of work done on it now, but I've got COVID-19 quarantining to thank for that :laughing:

Thanks for the advice :slight_smile: I'll definitely consider possibly cutting it up into a second part - or just posting maybe a "fresh" version with the pages getting re-uploaded from the start on a bi-weekly basis, with the old one getting 'archived', if that makes sense. Now might be a good time for that, now that I think about it, as I've started redrawing the first chapter. It's not done yet but I'm hoping I'll have it all finished within the next couple weeks. Not like I don't have plenty of time to put aside for it :stuck_out_tongue: :laughing:

As far as I'm feeling, I definitely don't plan on deleting the original because of all the comments and memories I have stowed away in that version haha I don't want to be a choosing beggar when it comes to my options but seeing as how little of the old community is still around, the physical proof of the memories of what once was are nice to have. Maybe that's silly though.


Thank you, I appreciate that. It's been 10+ years of working on it and I can't say I regret a single moment. There are definitely times where I've asked myself why I've subjected myself to years of drawing the same characters over and over again LOL but it's worth it to me in the end because they're characters and stories that I've spent a lot of time with, to the point that I can't imagine being without them.

I think that's part of what makes its public journey so difficult to deal with - it's like, you'd think with art and writing and comic formatting that's IMPROVED since the start, the reception would be far more lively lmao I'm not gonna gloat about my skills as an artist, but it's obvious that as an artist, I've made a lot of progress in the last 6 years and stylistically, it's like a completely different comic now. I'm just in a good spot right now where I'm sort of like, whatever I want to draw I usually can without running into blocks or getting frustrated. I know that's not going to last forever because I'm going to hit that stage where my eye for quality goes up again and my artistic ability won't be able to keep up and I'll be super critical of myself again :laughing: but these things come in waves and I'm pretty content with where I am right now. It's just a shame that the reception hasn't been able to keep up. I'm hoping that someday this, too, like the critical low points in my career as an artist, will eventually pass.

EDIT: oh ffs "Read Next" is like, your subbed library. Doi.