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For most of my life I just assumed that my current process with the scanner and the pen mouse was just temporary...that once I grew up and got some income, I'd buy myself a tablet like all the cool kids.

But now that that time is drawing near, and I know more about how tablets work, I'm starting to have second thoughts. =/

One thing that bugs me a lot is when artists talk about how difficult linework is-- y'know, when you try to trace over a sketch, and you draw a line but the angle/curvature is wrong, so you try again...and again...and again...
And it's all 'haha lol #artistproblems' until I realize that at this moment in time that's not something I have to deal with. Like at all. And if I did have to deal with it, it would probably be a big issue for me specifically.

I'm a very instinctual artist, my thought process is less 'here's the goal, and I can make it happen if I do this and this and this' and more 'here's the goal; I'mma just do my thing and modify it until I get close enough'.

Drawing itself is one of my main 'things', and it's really hard to replicate when my hand isn't allowed to move naturally, and/or my tools won't cooperate.
Simply put: with a normal pencil in hand, I can draw a head that looks "right" in one stroke.
If I have to rely on my pen mouse, it'll probably take me several strokes, a couple shape tools, a preliminary sketch, and at least 5 minutes...and it probably still won't look as good as what I can do by hand.

And if what I can expect from getting a tablet is to have to do that 24/7, then it isn't worth it. =/ I'd be trading time, quality, and overall spatial awareness (basically, I work better when I can see the whole piece at once) all for the 2 minutes a day that it takes me to use my scanner, and 10-ish dollars a year for physical art supplies. That's a bad trade.

I'll probably still try to get a tablet for animation purposes (the quality of the individual drawings matters less, and the efficiency tradeoffs are much better). But as for art in general...do you think I'm overreacting? Or is it really not worth the trouble...?

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Honestly it really depends. I think digital can be a great tool with more possibilities than traditional (like, watercolour is just as easy to use as a marker look, unlike traditional), but if you know what you're doing traditionally and are comfortable with it than by all means keep using that. Just like traditional art, digital has a learning curve.

Personally I like the experience of traditional better; the marker stains of my hand, the physical switching of supplies, etc, but digital has a lot of advantages for sure

the perks of digital and analog art are pretty complementary so I wouldn't say that one is better than the other.

regarding lining tho:
if you have a pad tablet, it's pretty OK! you can manipulate the lines after youve drawn them and you can use things like stabilizers.
screen tablets are a bit more tricky.. you have the control of drawing directly on the surface, but there's also paralax/the gap between the pen and the actual surface thanks to the glass between it.
on something like an Ipad that is pretty minimal.
generally Ipads seem to be cool for lining (not an apple fan tho, so I can't really comment on it)

it isn't really harder than traditional. I personally don't have much issues, but I also don't like inking a lot.
for me, digital is all about the coloring and painting.

if you have a solid workflow with traditional lines tho, keep them. it's worth a lot.

many professional artists do mixxed media, by scanning their lineart cleanly and then coloring digitally.
maybe that's an option for you

Digital art isn't all to hard. You get to zoom in and undo/redo as you do artwork. Though, you can just for go using the zoom in/out if you don't want to use it.

The only difficulty I can think of is either using a mouse or the pen. Mouse is harder to use since it feels awkward to do strokes with it until you get used to it and it feels all natural; pen is easier since....well...you can control it like an actual pencil XD, so easier strokes.

Though, you still have to get through the learning curve.

Well this is the first time I've ever heard about penmouse :smiley:
I think this problem that you describe about the artists who think that lineart is hard, because you try once and then redo and redo it - in the core it's not about digital, it's because they allow themselves to redo it. That's what I am actually trying to get rid of, but again, not a problem of digital art, you can do it the same on the paper. But on the paper you either quickly turn the sheet's surface to a black mess or stop on this first line, while you can do it infinitely on the digital canvas.
All and all I never drew in color until I got a tablet, only black pencil. But even my first digital art was in color and I know I would have never ever draw something like my comics in traditional media. I wholeheartedly consider traditional harder than digital :slight_smile:
Maybe your particular style doesn't need all those pen angles and sensitivity, and it's cool, but you will also never know if you won't try it. Yeah, with non-screen tablets there will be some time to adjust to, but it's not that hard for most people.
In the end you do color everything digitally anyway, I'd say it's worth a shot.
In conclusion, no, it's not hard and you will probably benefit from it as an artist.

I actually use both traditional and digital when it comes to my comic. I usually sketch everything on paper and ink on computer. Although, my current chapter is done completely on Clip Studio Paint. But, my illustrations are often sketched and inked on paper. I liked to mix it up.:slight_smile:

Like any tool, it takes some time to get used to it, but I LOVE my tablet. I have a very old large Intuos. I'm an artist that sketches with her whole arm and that tablet let's me do that.

I also use Clip Studio Paint, which is both affordable and great for artists. You can flip your canvas, like you would normally do on paper. I use it very often. And it's great for getting your perspective lines done. I can do it on paper, with with all of the different shades of blues on the draft, the tight lines sometimes get lost in the scan. Backgrounds are not my strongest skill, but I still have to do them.

I found the tablet super useful, I don't tend to do redo my clean lines a lot, unless I didn't do my warm-ups first. However, I used to work in animation on the Ink & Paint department, which was done digitally. Inking is my strongest skill when it comes to drawing.

I think it depends the artist and what your strong skills are in the end. It takes time to learn a new tool, but if you're a strong inker traditionally, you might be like me and you'll be a strong inker digitally too.

I never used a pen mouse, in fact your posts, Doki, were where I learned something like this exists :sweat_smile: But I am someone who did the process of drawing on paper and then coloring with the mouse for eight years before getting a tablet... And I found the tablet very difficult to use at first.

I think a part of it was how early on, I unconsciously tried to use the tablet like I used the mouse - but with the mouse, every movement was slow and careful, because it was the only way to be accurate... Which was a fundamentally different process from actually drawing, and with the tablet pen in my hand, it didn't feel right.

I also had big issues with proportions in drawings - my brain just wasn't processing the canvas on the screen the same. This is an issue I feel I still haven't completely solved, but it got better with practice.

It took me around a year to actually start feeling comfortable with digital drawing. (Could've been a bit shorter if I did it more regularly, I guess - and I have overall poor hand-eye coordination for an artist.) So this gap can be very frustrating, but it's possible to get over it with a lot of practice and determination. I think it's worth getting a tablet - if you won't let yourself get discouraged by the inital learning curve.

There’s definitely a learning curve especially if you’re using a screen-less tablet but digital isn’t inherently more difficult than traditional and vice versa.

The having to redraw lines multiple times til they look right is just an issue that some artists have. Honestly it’s no different to how some traditional artists erase a lot during sketches or restart their lineart bc it wasnt quite right. It's just slightly more common with digital bc the ability to undo so easily increases perfectionism.

unless you are doing some pretty next level oil paiting or something like that, i recommend going digital.
It's difficult at first, trust me, but it will create a better end product once you get used to it.
That is, of course, if you put in the work.

there's a bit of a learning curve when it comes to learning to draw on a tablet, especially a traditional one rather than a screened tablet.
redrawing lines is more common in digital artists who have the ability to redo their lines as much as they want- traditional artists dont have that forgiveness, so skilled traditional artists dont have that redoing process as much.
i developed a lot of line confidence by using brush pens traditionally, so i rarely have to redo lines unless i'm trying to match a sketch exactly.

Depends of the tool you use. I found one that worked for me because it felt just like drawing and was easy to learn.

What worked for me was adobe draw with an apple pen and an app called "comic book" for the pannelling.

Make sure to find the right tool for the job that is comfortable for you to work, and if you can try the program/s before buying it, it could be a great idea too.

I did mixed media for years with a scanner because of this reason, but eventually I warmed up to doing fully digital (honestly it was Lazy Nezumi that really helped me linework improve a lot) it just takes time. It's a skill like anything else.

For me, it kind of depends on the person. I've been drawing digitally since I bought my tablet around 6 years ago, back when I was 11, so I'm used to drawing on tablets. Obviously it's gonna have a learning curve, as getting used to any new medium would have. If you don't like tablets, then an Ipad and a stylus is a good, and popular, 2nd choice.

The "redoing a single line over and over" thing is just a common artist habits problem, which is why it's always brought up as a haha funny artist problems thing lol. I know I don't tend to do this, most likely because i set my stabilizer high so it'd be hard to fuck up. Some people even say fuck it and use their sketch as their lineart.

At the beginning for me, it was weird and took some time to get used to with both the tablet and art program. For a while, I was so uncomfortable with my Bamboo tablet because I had to look up at the screen to draw which really threw me off but once I learned more about how to use the art program which was Paintool Sai at the time it started to feel more natural to me and all those youtube tutorials I found helped a ton.

Eventually, I saved up and purchased Clip Studio and then got a screen tablet for Christmas. Clip studio also took some time to get used to because something about the pen movement felt different and the colors to me at least didn't look as vibrant compared to Sai but it didn't take long for it to become my go-to program. The screen tablet also took a little time to get used to but not nearly as long as the cheap tablet I had before for obvious reasons.
In the end, I'm glad I took the time to figure it out and I don't think I'll ever go back to traditional because digital is so convenient.

The perks of digital drawing outweigh ANY possible downsides that switching your workflow might bring. Digital has layers, effects, smoothing, automation, transforming and warping (Drew a hand wee bit too big? In analog you'd need to erase it entirely and draw anew...), and most significantly, your holy Lord and Savior, CTRL+Z.
The problems with lineart are mostly eliminated by either using the smoothing option in the program or installing additional software like Lazy Nezumi Pro (which has tons of additional useful functions).

I wouldn't say one is inherently harder than the other, they both have their strengths and weaknesses. I find digital drawing is easier than traditional for me, due to the flexibility it has in tools such as layers, line stabilisation, warp tools, resizing, and the ability to undo.

That said, I could not, for the life of me, sketch with a non-screen tablet. I also found line art with a non-screen tablet to be an exercise in tedium.

So my advice, especially if you're already finding this with a pen mouse, is to get a tablet with a screen. A good one, if you can afford it. As soon as I bought my first screen tablet, I started doing everything digitally, with relative ease, and I've never looked back. I use an iPad Pro now, and it's excellent.

There will be a learning curve, which will slow you down initially. You just have to push through that. It's the same with any new medium. Long-term, working digitally will give you a lot more speed and flexibility.

I think it comes down to preference. Both traditional and digital art are challenging and amazing in their own unique ways. Either way, you still need to practice and understand the medium in order to master it. If you feel more comfortable using traditional, go for it. Otherwise, go digital.

It's definitely tough to get used to because it feels unintuitive. My problems are always to do with the friction. I hate drawing on screen tablets because they're slippery, and I try to use methods to get more paper-like friction, like I have a special rough textured screen protector on my iPad, and when I was starting out learning to ink digitally, for the first year or two, I actually taped paper to my tablet so it had a more paper-like surface. This does wear nibs out slightly faster, but if you're like me and don't press very hard, it's not a big problem. I started out by doing pencils on paper, then inking digitally, and then discovered that once I was used to pencilling digitally it was faster and tended to yield better results because it was easier to flip and do multiple passes and to edit things, like oops that head is too big means "redraw the head" on paper, but digitally it can be just, "lasso the head, shrink it a bit... job done!"

Now I can do digital workflows, it saves so much time. I can make changes on the fly, even at later stages like after the inking, which can be invaluable when a client is fussing, I can do things like coloured inks and fun effects, easily try multiple variations of an image... It's just really handy and flexible. But yeah, I would never say it didn't take time to learn and get used to.