Ah, see that's why I suggested separating physical content into two different categories: gore vs violence. I see physical violence as having a very different connotation than physical content that is just bloody. But again, this is just a personal suggestion, I don't work with Tapas. The final decision would be their call. Though I think we're saying the same thing in two different ways.
Yes. And I understand Tapas has to work with that. It does not mean we should accept every one of the inconsistencies, though.
Yeah, I get it. Im just as frustrated. Im more just sad about it than accepting, BS inconsistencies led to more Bs inconsistencies.
Really?
Mental health is an adult topic?
For real?
So, when I was a child and went to see a psychiatrist, I shouldn't have listened to her because she was talking about a mature subject?
Is this an Apple thing again?
Are they the ones dictating what topics are adult?
Mental health issues is an adult topic now?
also the fact that they see sexual violence as just sex and nudity is REALLY FUCKING insulting holy shit.
It needs its own separate option. there's a lot of people that are going to need a content warning for that kind of subject matter and it shouldnt be grouped with either violence or nudity.
As I understand it, the rules about what is or is not mature haven't changed. So no, mental health hasn't suddenly become an adult topic. I believe it's more like if something you considered mature happened, and included mental health in a way that might be triggering or relevant, you are now able to communicate that to readers when they see the mature filter come up. The ToS hasn't changed, tho.
That makes a bit more sense, but still "mental health issues" is a bit vague and would probably lead to people abusing the mature filter cause they wouldn't know if its mature or not.
There are some medical depictions in my comic, for example, breast augmentation/reduction. Does that fall under nudity? Or rhinoplasty. Is that gore?
Judging from earlier posts in the thread, bare breasts with, to use the hilarious Tumblr term, "female-presenting nipples" would be considered nudity, even in a non-sexual context like this. To be fair to Tapas, this probably isn't their fault, it's almost certainly due to Apple's requirements. (Though, as people have stated, lumping nudity with sex and especially sexual violence is... not good, I'm glad to see Tapas are open to changing this after community feedback).
If you're showing scenes of surgery then yes, I'd personally recommend a gore warning, as a person who often can't look at a TV screen during surgery scenes in shows and movies I know I'd appreciate a warning to prepare myself to see somebody's innards and blood, whether they get cut open with a sword, torn open by zombies OR neatly opened up with a scalpel.
Health issues in general falls under "disclaimer" and not "warnings" in my opinion. As an autistic person with ADHD I would rather want to see a disclaimer note on the work, so I'm reminded that the creator will be taking creative liberties on the subject.
In today's age we are talking a lot about AWARENESS and ACCEPT of mental health. However, in many cases it is not the awareness that is an issue, but the general accept of the diversity and existence of people living with a diagnose.
So, again, I wish to emphasize that mental health is not something to be warned of, but more to be enlightened and made aware of through a disclaimer. From all the movies I've watched covering psychological topics it has always been put under disclaimers, whereas the violence and crime subjects falls under warnings.
As someone with a diagnose I feel utterly alienated by having my condition displayed on a creative work like something evil, violent, and illegal.
Imagine putting the subject of having a cold, having cancer, getting your limb amputated, or having a disability that is lifelong under "warnings".
I'm not saying that it is wrong to bring up awareness to the reader that mental health is a subject in the work they are about to read, but I'm saying you need to really think about the way you choose to display it as it is a very sensitive subject, both to those in the community that has a very diverse opinion on how they wish to be seen, and those who don't have a diagnose, but might relate, AND those who have no idea of what it all entails.
Sorry for going off on a tangent, but I hope that you would at least consider my POW on this and keep your eyes out for anyone else in the Tapas community (be it reader or creator) who is able and comfortable enough to speak up and offer insight 
That is all, Mini
Yes, this is a good point. In some circles, disorders like Autism and ADHD are labelled as "mental illness". Kind of appropriate to be having this discussion on Autism Awareness day during Autism Acceptance month...
I'm a little confused personally as to where the line is drawn where "mental illness" is a "mature subject". Suicide and self-harm, emotional and psychological abuse should have warnings for sure, but just the depiction of having depression or even PTSD aren't inherently unsuitable for even children.
I'd probably call this category "Psychological Trauma, Bullying and Abuse".
I did not expect that to be in the same category, should've been separated.
I agree with you whole heartedly.
I would say that there are different levels of severity to a variety of disorders. Take borderline as an example; on it's own is not worthy of a warning.
However, as it is well-known that people with borderline are much more sensitive to triggers around them it is often used or even described as a violent and aggressive disorder (though I only believe this is true because most people don't know how to listen and accept nor even respect personal boundaries in general).
Since I - as a creator - understand that there are levels of severity/aggression to borderline I would put the disorder "borderline" under disclaimer while ALSO putting up a warning if the character I wrote had such a severe case that they would get violent (given that the circumstance/situation of the violent reaction is indeed linked or falls under the distinct traits for the disorder)
We simply have to remember that the disorder itself is not what could issue a warning. Only when you choose to display a disorder in a severe and dramatic way would you need to say "Oh! let me just warn you and say that this is a severe case that we are dealing with and does not represent the disorder as a whole."
I fully understand how difficult it can be to figure out when to "disclaim" and when to "warn" when dealing with mental health, so, my best tip for anyone out there is to do relevant research on the disorder (deep research) before even engaging, so that you will have a better idea of knowing the nature of the disorder and the levels of severity/aggression, SO that you can distinguish when you cross the line and end up with violence as a result of external/internal triggers.
Again super hard topic to cover, but I hope that at least this gives you a better idea on what to look for when you take creative liberties on the subject
POST DISCLAIMER*
- I grew up with a family member who has borderline and used that as a personal reference on this topic.
Why didn't Tapas prioritize fixing the glaring issue of sexual violence and consensual sexual content being shoved into the same category? I get a discussion about the other misworded categories was necessary, but that could just as well have happened after the worst problem was fixed.
I understand it may feel like a waste of company time to go in on two different occasions to fix issues with the same feature, but let me put it into perspective for you:
Readers right now can click on an episode expecting consensual content, and getting rape instead. Since the potential trigger warning for rape is already in the mature content warning category used, users that produce content involving rape might choose to skip in-episode warnings.
And, as an author, I have to put my consensual sexual content - which, mind you, I started making as a way to regain sexual power and heal my wounds as a grooming survivor - in a category specifically worded to include rape and sexual abuse. That hurts, and both of these combined leave a pretty sour taste for users.
These things were not only ignored upon launching, but also deprioritized and left to sit for an unnecessary amount of time once they were pointed out by users. Think about what impression people get of tapas' priorities when they see that.
I'm curious now at what amount of cursing is considered profanity befitting a M label?
Is it cursing in just English? Cursing in a made-up language? Cursing not in English - since our community does include French, Spanish and Portugese just to name a few I've seen in the lists while browsing.
And then what's the line? Is "sh*t" okay but not "f*ck"? Is "turd" okay but not "derp"? Is "oh my god" okay but "what the heck" isn't? Both of the last examples "omg" and "heck" are censored on a site I've been on as in line with profanity.
Or are we following movie rules where you get one free "f*ck*" before it needs an R label slapped on?
Ratique answered this earlier, quoting her:
It is up to your discretion to decide when a mature label is warranted. If you think your audience would be comfortable, fine, if you think they would find it shocking/alarming, label.
I feel like another thing that should be considered as a check mark is Animal abuse or violence towards animals.
I was marking every episode with the F word mature, but went back to change this, because it hid the actually mature episodes and confused readers. Now I simply have a note in the novel and first episode descriptions to indicate that it does include some mature language and I allow my MC a few f-bombs before marking it mature.
I also have cursing in Canadian-French, mainly blasphemous slang, and I follow the same rule. If it becomes excessive, I mark it.
