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Oct 2018

Nothing like adding to the sea of "plz review my comic" threads, but as per tradition I just finished a chapter of my comic, and would like some honest feedback on how it is so far. I'd prefer critique on story and characters, but if you just want to skim and say something about the visuals, that's fine too. Feedback on presentation would also help since that's an important part of getting the story across.

TGtaHR is kinda long, 122 official pages now (not including chapter covers), so I understand if no one wants to even attempt looking through it. I'm just trolling around to whatever feedback I can get before really digging into the next chapter.
If you do check it out, I will warn you that this comic is NC-17, and so far is NSFW for nudity, profanity, and substance abuse. The comic also contains sensitive subjects like mental illness, suicide, mild transphobia, and abuse. So read at your own discretion.

Thank you all for your time! For those of you who don't like seeing genitals and tits, there is a censored version on Webtoons.


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I haven't finished the archive yet but you've got a sub from me. I really love the colors and the art overall and the story is interesting so far.

I don't really have much I'd critique at this point. The action generally makes sense and is easy to follow. I guess at the very beginning some things seemed kind of glossed over but I suspect you're planning to come back to that. Like I know if when I was a kid someone found a mysterious kid in a bag it would have been the mystery of the danged century.

I feel like you have achieved your drawing skills in the academic way.
Since you're not a beginner and your comic isn't low quality, I will try my best with my constructive criticism.

Your art style is good, I have nothing to say about it. :smiley:

About the color, the way you use your color pencil isn't bad, good for key artwork but isn't good enough to be used in your comic. The greatest strength in traditional drawing and painting is paper and pen (brush/ink/charcoal/...) textures, you kind of ignore it (not all) while coloring your artwork and comic.

Suggestion: Change the medium, use Copic marker, or Arcrylic, or Water color instead.

About the comic layout, your art details is kind of overdone at some point. You don't have to draw background in every panel. You should only use the background when you need to tell readers where is your character right now. Your background and foreground aren't separated, you should do something to separate your character and backround.

Suggestion: reduce your background detail and add some highlight around your character.

About the storyline and character, I'm not from the western country and none of anything in your comic happened to me, beside the depression, so it's hard for me to feel related, that's why I can't give you any detail criticism about the storyline. But based on story construction, I think your comic is good in the way it is, but would be hard to attract more readers.

I don't know if you're trying to be professional or not, 122 pages for 3 years isn't a good way to sell your comic. So I'm not comment on how to attract viewers.

That's all, I hope my comment can help you at something. :smiley:

Hi there! I've read first 30 pages and liked it. Your comics is original and stands out from the rest. Keep this going! The only thing I didn't like is that it is that the plot develops too leisurely... but maybe it's just my perception

This is what I feel like when reading the comic, too leisurely. I was unsure about this but since I can't related to any of their characters, so I avoided to mention this problem.

Here's my criticism about the storyline:

I think this comic would work better with about 20 pages per chapter instead of 40 pages. Each chapter has to be something to be concluded. But what I got after read a chapter is, "they are miserable". And what did they do? They did nothing or even trying to resolve their problem. Drama is there to be resolved by the character, even when they failed to do so. In this comic, nothing is resolved in the first 3 chapter.

Suggestion: Only do this type of storyline if you don't care about your viewcount.

But hey, I could be wrong, don't worry much about my criticism.
I mean, you have a lot of views and subscribers. So feel free to ignore everything I said. :smiley:

Wow, I got more feedback than expected.

@kytri, thank you for reading! More about how the character will be coming up as the story goes, although admittedly not a whole lot will be blatantly explained about that part since it doesn't have much to do with the long-term relationship of the two main characters. Although that part, along with a few things that happened before, will be eluded to and shown visually via old newspapers and such. Julian will even talk to an older lady at some point who used to live in the same state they were found in, and remembered the event. (hopefully I'll successfully get the point across. Lol!) The lack of info is also kind based on the character as well, Julian is very tight-lipped about their history for reasons that will come up... eventually.
But you are right, I'll flat out say a mysterious kid showing up half-dead in a burlap sack was a big thing for a while, but the hype died out since it was canonically 17-18 years ago.

@Draconic Thank you for checking out my comic! I have tried out playing with hatching to make different textures, but I admit to forgetting after a while, and they never translate very well during the scanning process. Changing mediums has been something I've thought about, but I mainly use color pencils because I can't afford the other options. Paints, and especially Copics are crazy expensive compared to cheapy pencils unfortunately. ;v; Do you have any techniques you can suggest to give off a textured look with pencils?

About the overdetail, do you mind showing an example? Possibly from chapter 3? I have gotten this critique for previous chapters, and I've been trying to fix it in the latest one, using light browns or not even reinking backgrounds. The comic was partially intended to help me improve my background, perspective and architecture drawing skills, so I've been trying to keep to that while chilling out a bit. Although I'm aware I could still be having this issue.

Lol I announced the page count to warn people that the comic is kinda long... not to brag about it or anything. This is definitely not intended to be professional, it's just a hobby project I do whenever I'm not at work or doing house chores.

@tired_programmer and @Draconic Not to make excuses, but the slower pace is intentional. The comic is a slow-burn, and more character driven. Just to warn you, it is meant to be an extremely angsty, overly depressive comic. More to study how these characters became the way they are, and what they intend to do upon recognizing their destructive behavior before something worse happens (Particularly with the main-main character, since the other one is not mentally able), rather than be action packed. I guess you can say it's kind of like a character study comic, but less intelligent, if that makes sense.

I will ask, is the pace so far so slow that it hinders anything?
I have been having trouble figuring out a way to incorporate visual character details while having a decent pace, there's a lot I want to pack into this comic, and want everything to have a purpose either character development wise or plot wise. Although it's been hard finding that balance between too much, and not enough. Do you all have any suggestions for this?

Also to answer your final suggestion, Darconic. Given my comic is super niche to begin with, I don't really care about views to be honest. xD I made this as an outlet for my own depression and anxiety, and the request for criticism is meant to help me improve for myself rather than as a thing I can do to get more attention.


I'm so sorry if I come off as whiny, or making excuses. I just want to explain what I'm trying to accomplish with this project for better clarification. I really do want to do the best I can with this comic, especially since I personally don't have a lot of experience with some of the subject matters.
Also I'm sorry for the text wall, I do that when talking about something that interests me. Either way I'm super grateful for you all taking the time to look through my comic, and giving me your feedback, it really means a lot!

You can keep all the detail as you want, but you need to add some focus point with dark-light into the panel to ease reader's eyes, and use the digital font if you can spent more time.

That's why I suggess you should change the medium, colored pencils are kind of hard to create a good dynamic dark-light area, and too many colored layers would create a mess. The liquid permeation of the painting paper will create better textures and tones for your dark tone artwork. Or you can use your colored pencils on black paper if you want to learn a new drawing technique, better dynamic but required higher skill.

Here's my example:

I didn't spend much time on this, but I hope you will understand what I was trying to say. :smiley:

Is that details would help to build up anything?
The point of story is to focusing and screening the important moments to the plot, and good moments to help the reader understand your characters. For example, if a conversation or an interaction does not serve any purpose beside "they have met", remove it. This is the kind of knowledge that can not be taught, but the experience and awareness itself. Just trying to pay attention to your story detail and study more, you will know it better.

Honestly I like the colored pencils? They have a sort of grit to them that I think matches a gritty story.

I can see the issue with characters not always standing out as well from backgrounds as they could. For me it didn't cause any huge issues but I think a good solution might be to color backgrounds in a different pallet. Lighter or less saturated or in a different color temperature. You seem to be pretty good with pallets overall.

Also I guess as just kind of an aside, I really could have done without Apollo using a transphobic slur near the end of the second chapter. I hadn't gotten to this scene yet when I commented earlier. I get why you might have included it but it caught me off guard and really made me dislike him and by extension it made me like the comic less. Prior to that I had found him somewhat sympathetic despite all his other bad decisions, but after that he's the kind of person who calls people slurs to their face for basically no reason.
I'm not trying to tell you to change it, it's your story. I'm just trying to describe how it made me feel.

I forgot to answer this question. Don't scan your pages, use camera with a good lighting setup instead. A good smartphone camera is fine too. By using a camera, your colored artwork will be mixed with real light and make it more natural when imported to the digital format.

Yeah, most people hate Drama bomb, It's a hit or miss to the audiences. In this story, the drama bomb even happened when nothing is resolved first. This is a risky way to do, and the author is figuratively holding a ticking bomb. Drama bomb should only be used at later arc.

@Draconic Ah, thank you for the clarification. I've kind of avoided using white lines since my gel pens don't like color pencil for some reason? But it does look better, so maybe I'll look for some white dip ink or a fountain pen with some white ink. The lack of money for materials is super unfortunate, when you say painting paper what do you mean? Canvas paper or watercolor paper? Right now I'm using bristol board.
Black paper would be interesting to mess around with, maybe I can figure out how to work it with some illustration attempts, then move onto seeing how that can be incorporated into the comic.

This is the tough part for me. The comic is character driven, and doesn't really have a normal plot, so everything revolves around character development through actions/body language and dialogue. Like the restaurant scene in chapter 3, I kinda hate it because it's just talking. Although it's meant to show a bit more of Apollo's personality, introduce Daniel to his friends, and explain some relationship stuff that's supposed to have some kind of mumbo-jumbo meaning later on. Should I just get rid of that scene despite some parts having some importance?
I dunno, I feel really dumb about this stuff now. Like, I'm glad this is going to be my only comic, because it's seems my capabilities to make stories is unsalvageable. Lol.

@kytri I'm so sorry! I knew I forgot to add a warning to to the OP. Honestly, Apollo isn't meant to be really likable, he's supposed to be that type who starts out douchey and gets better as he "wakes up" essentially. He's openly transphobic, and extremely ignorant/sheltered. Apollo's "phobia" kinda has a point too with Julian being a closeted non-binary character, and he has to learn to get over it.
The incorporation of that comment wasn't meant to be a drama bomb (I mean, the whole comic may as well be a drama bomb so I'm not saying it's incorrect), I just didn't know any way I can show he's that kind of person in a more delicate way... I'm not even sure if there is a delicate was to show that sort of thing.

I'll have to save up for this... the camera I mean, not the lighting. Thank you for the suggestion!

Gosh, sorry guys. I feel kinda bad making you all go through this thing now. But I am very grateful, you've really taken one for the team dealing with my questioning and this comic.

I don't think "I'm just bad at this" is what anyone wants you to take away from their critique. The purpose of new eyes on a story/comic is that they have the distance to see things you don't. It doesn't mean what you're already doing is bad, and it doesn't mean you're lacking in skills for happening to not see it. Some of this develops over time, and some of it can be chalked up to the difficulty of the story you're trying to tell.

Give yourself some credit for tackling difficult subjects in a difficult medium. Heck, writing a character driven story where the main character starts out with some pretty unlikable traits is a huge undertaking. So rather than say anything about your skills are unsalvageable, recognize that you're a skilled creator undertaking a highly challenging story, and that's perfectly fine.

On a seperate note, the art is beautiful, and the story is intriguing. White outline might help- it doesn't hurt to try. And keeping an editing eye to unnecessary scenes or scenes going on to long is something most of us have to work on. But like you said, your comic is a character driven slow burn so, it's really not terrible if it reads slowly. It's just something to keep weighing in your mind as you go. I sort of imagine now that Julian is involved it won't feel as slow, anyway, but I don't think the pacing is a turn off overall.

After reading the tropes page I don't really think this counts as a Drama Bomb. It doesn't really add any drama.

I should probably preface this by mentioning that I'm trans myself. I'm kind of sensitive and think about these kinds of things a lot. That said, if he'd called her a racial slur instead I think I would have had a similar reaction. I feel like it would have blindsided me less if the terminology were less harsh or if he'd done some more casually transphobic stuff earlier. I think the suddenness was a lot of the issue for me.

Anyway. Narratively it mostly does two things: it reinforces that our main character is kind of a shitty inconsiderate person, which we already knew, and it outs a trans character to the audience.

And that second part does need to be done. If you have a trans character the audience will assume they're cis until you make it explicit, which sucks. I have a similar problem with my own comic the main character is trans and trying to make it both clear to the audience and not a big deal in the context of the fantasy world the comic is set in is really difficult.

As for the camera thing, you'd need a pretty high end camera and lighting setup to rival the image quality of a scanner. Natural media that doesn't scan well often doesn't photograph well either. You can get a lot out of digital touchups for a lot cheaper.

Also for a slow burn slice of life type story your pacing is really pretty standard? It is going to come off slow to people who want faster paced stories and that's fine. You can bake a perfect pie and people who only want cake still aren't going to like it.

Sorry for the doublepost but I thought I'd take a crack at demonstrating the separating characters from detailed backgrounds thing. I probably spent way too long on this for what is honestly a pretty minor issue. I used the same panel as Draconic for consistency. I don't think the original is bad.


Edit: Tapas cut it off but if you full view the image there's like 5 variants here

First is the original with no changes.

Second has a white halo around the characters, it wouldn't work for all scenes but I think it looks okay here.

Third has a bolder outline around the characters. I personally use this one pretty often but I think it looks best on art styles that are more cartoony and line focused. I don't think it works great here but it might look good in other scenes.

Next is one with the background colors adjusted to be more blueish, I did kind of a sloppy job here but if it had been colored that way from the start it could look very nice.

And the last one I made the background lighter and less saturated. Again I did it sloppily but the characters stand out very strongly. You could do either of these last two with the medium you're already using.

I guess my main point is that you have options, and some options might work better in some situations than in others.

@SleepingPoppy Lol unsalvageable isn't really the best word. I'm not really meaning to say "I'm just bad", but it does feel like I'm having comprehension issues and I do feel bad for it. I do have a history of being slower (not meaning this as an insult, it's one of those things that if you met me irl you'd notice my mind has a problem with processing. My reaction time is slower, it takes a bit longer for information to get to my brain, things don't always translate correctly. It takes some hand-holding sometimes.), so I'm not sure if its that, or my enjoyment for over-saturation of detail is blinding me to when I don't need something.
Either way I am going to start being more critical with placement of stuff, because what is important to me may not be important to the story. Like, learning every aspect of my character's personalities probably isn't necessary, or as entertaining as I find it to be.

Thank you for the reassurance though! I picked a real winner for a comic: Depressing from the first page, the main character is a douchebag, I'm picking up all the subjects people say not to put in your story.

@kytri Oh nice! Are you FtM, MtF, or part of the 'other' gender spectrum? (just so I don't misgender you in the future) I'm NB, but can't say I've had a whole lot of personal experience with it since I'm closeted irl, although I can understand why it's so... erg! I guess I sort of based the situation off stuff I overhear a lot. Most of my coworkers openly throw around 'tranny' in casual conversation, and can't seem to understand that it's a slur. I wanted to do the same for Apollo where he grew up in an environment where he thinks that's an okay word when it's not, and chalk it up to his "cis-dude" ignorance.
But yeah! I wanted to also find a way to show Galia is trans since there will be a small, semi-important scene relating to transness later on with her and Julian. Although I really could have used less offensive unintentional insults, I did feel pretty bad for posting that page.
That sucks, though! Unless you establish that world is bigoted in some way, it is super hard to do stuff like that in fantasy settings... even then it can be tough without doing that thing where a character accidentally sees them undressing, someone who knows them says something gross, or they just flat out announce it.

On a side-note I do have to tell you (assuming that you might read more in the future) that some of Apollo's friends, particularly Brandon, is more grossly transphobic. So he may end up spouting worse stuff since Apollo and him will be shown at the bar a few times, and Apollo's coworkers hate him, I will be sure to leave a CW for pages like that though. I'm not gonna lie, by the end of chapter 7 this comic is going to be pretty... uncomfortable, possibly upsetting if you end up getting invested. Not as far as transphobia, just... the subject matters.

Ah, I figured you'd have to basically have professional photography equipment to get a good shot. My cousin does painting for a living, and he uses some pretty high end stuff to photograph is work for social media.

AAH! Thank you so much! This actually gives me a really good idea of the things I can do. I've been wanting to play around with contrasts and stuff more, I think it would look really nice, and make the comic more readable. I just need to get out of this obsession with making everything look so literal/flat.

Also thank you for the feedback! Even though I tend to text-wall and come off as really bitchy, I really do take in the critiques and ween myself into applying them.

XD Okay, I just wanted to make sure you didn't feel discouraged!

And I can totally understand processing information differently/slowly. I'm dyslexic, and several family members are dyslexic and ADD. No judgement hear, regardless. ^^

@kytri @DaniBoy Separate note, I don't know if either of you have read Knights Errant, but it might be a useful example of Trans/NB characters in a fantasy setting? Though they want farther into the identities of the characters in the original version, the reboot hasn't gone as in depth yet. (Feel free to ignore if you already know about it or otherwise don't find it helpful!)

I know of Knights Errant but to be honest I haven't kept up with it. Last I looked at it was well before the reboot.
I remember a male presenting character being revealed to be AFAB, but I don't remember if at the time it was clear that he was trans and not that it was a woman crossdressing to do man stuff situation. I remember it being a sort of big reveal kind of moment though which is something I'm specifically trying to avoid doing.

The current iteration is pretty different from the original. There is still kind of a reveal for one character, and while not subtle, it's less clothes-taking-off-y. I think the over all tone and thought going into the story is better worked out this time around, though. And it's still really early as far as addressing the identities of the characters. So might be useful to check out, but I can't say it'd be quite what you're looking for. There's two characters handled two different ways though.

I'll probably give it a second look eventually. I liked it well enough.
And I should probably make a thread for my own comic so I don't take this one too far off topic.

Naaah, it does help me realize I shouldn't try to monetize my comic since it's not quality enough... and I only post one page a week, but I got a story stuck in my head that I want to get out so I'm gonna keep going.

Lol that's something I always thought I had. Words and numbers get mixed up a lot when I'm reading, talking, or typing/writing. (not so bad with writing which is why I hand letter my comic) Who knows, maybe someday I'll get insurance and go see a doctor to find out why my brain is so trash. xD Thank you for understanding though.

I actually read Knights Errant in... high school? Maybe a little after, seeing the art for it around Twitter has made me want to check it out again, I never got very far the first time.

I disagree that it's not quality enough. I've seen plenty of worse comics that people are able to monetize, they may just be better at selling their work. It's not a judgement on quality.

Also you've got a story featuring angsty characters and beautiful art, both of which are very marketable.

No you don't need the professional photography equipment. The camera on smartphone nowaday is surprisingly good if you provided a good lighting setup, or take advantage of sunlight. But if you can buy a good camera, then go for it.

Hey, how about creating more comic? :slight_smile:
You know, instead of a long series, just create a multiple one-shot that focus on a linear problem.
Or just drawing something that's super stupid that you feel funny inside your head? Try everything.

I feel bad that I couldn't give you any solid advice for your storyline, sorry about that.

You should think of it as a challenge, a quest line from video game, not a life's burden.
The challenge: Shape your story and artwork to get more attention as possible.
Your reward: Your comic is now monetizable.
I challenge you to do this btw. :laughing:

There is no "you must be this tall to monetize" rule. What is "quality enough"?? You're holding yourself to an imaginary standard. If you don't want to monetize don't, and if you do, go for it. There's nothing really to loose by trying. I mean, isn't one of the great things about patreon, paypal, etc, that it allows non-professionals to earn money?

Schools don't always test appropriately for it (or find ways out of testing for it), so it's possible! Some other signs are trouble with left and right, mirror writing, mixing your d's and b's as a kid. Any of those in excess when you were little would be good clues. Though it can effect different people differently!

It's changed quite a bit over time!

@kytri Lol true, I've seen so pretty awful things making money. It's just a personal thing, I'd feel like I'm swindling people. Maybe after my comic is done I'll let whatever readers I got decide if they'd be willing to pay anything for it.

@Draconic My phone is a little… special now thanks to me dropping it one too many times, so a pro camera would be a better choice. I’ve been wanting to get a high detail camera for painting and color references anyway.

I could start a shorter story, but that’d mean putting my current project on hold, and I really like working on my comic despite it not being amazing. Right now I work 11-12 hours a day, then spend most of my at-home time helping my mom with cooking, cleaning, and taking care of our pets (I can function on 5-7 hours of sleep). Which leaves 30 minutes to 1 hour or so to draw, and pages take 20-30 hours to finish depending on complexity.
I’ve thought about collaborating with someone for a short story, but that may take a while because I’m unreasonably picky, my drawing time is extremely valuable to me. I’ve also thought about doing an autobio sort of diary comic with some humor, but my sense of humor is really morbid and disturbing, so it’d probably be about as niche as my current comic. Lol.

Don’t feel bad about the advice, it’s a weird comic. I didn’t really start it with a normal comic style in mind, which is totally on me since I was thinking about having fun and venting my emotional distress over comprehension, or readability.

What sucks about changing the story, and I feel like a brat about this, is that I don't want to. This comic is for me so I don’t want to change it to suit the masses, but I want to do the best I can with what I got. Maybe my next comic I can do a digitally drawn BL-GL/fantasy, in a Japanese or Korean inspired style, with some “shemxy” sex scenes. If I can do it as a teen, I can do it as an adult!
Maybe I can market this comic as research for Psychology classes since people supposedly studying that field have been more interested in it than others. xD

Sorry if I’ve come off as emotional or butthurt in any of my responses, it’s never meant for the critic but is usually my frustration/embarrassment with the mistakes I didn’t notice. It's a work thing.

@SleepingPoppy Pff yeah, I'll admit my job has sort of trained me to have impossible standards for myself. We're all about "excellence in all you do", if I'm trying to monetize something I'm not being excellent in I'm basically stealing money. I acknowledge how weird this is, and don't hold this mindset for anyone else, just me. Maybe I'll get over this eventually, and I really want to (even been seeing a Therapist for it), but for now it's a huge mental barrier.

I never mirror wrote, but I saved some old elementary school assignments where I mixed of d's and b's, and wrote random letters backwards like s' and t's. Who knows, the school system is pretty garbage when it comes to the learning process and how no one retains information the same way, and kids hardly ever get properly diagnosed when it comes to learning disabilities.

Okay, well I wish you the best! Try to just do what's right for you. I just know my own comic is far from perfect, but I try to just be honest about what I have to offer to my patrons.

I would draw characters and write sentences going in whatever direction their mouth was facing. Mirror writing at its finest. XD

Unfortunately schools test for IQ, then use a high result as "evidence" there's no learning disability. Even though it's well known dyslexics often test with high IQs. Its done on purpose to avoid diagnoses and save money.

Work on your comic! If you're writing the story for yourself that's what matters, especially if it's important to you. Part of writing a comic is being embarrassed at old pages, I only started about a year ago and when I look at my old pages I cringe a bit.
As for technique, are you using blending tools. There's quite a lot of white which normally comes from using a toothy paper but with bristol board it should be smoother. One of the reasons coloured pencils aren't a great comic tool is that they take such a long time to do! If you don't have a blending pencil you should get a few of those for small areas, they're amazing.
For larger areas (and if you're not too bothered about keeping your pages forever) you can use baby oil to blend them too. Here's the first result that I googled. https://www.carrie-lewis.com/blending-with-baby-oil/3
My other suggestion would be layering a light colour wash with watercolours first but obviously then you need to buy and learn to use watercolours too!

You post page by page on webtoons? That's...unusual.
Anyways, I think your comics are overrated, that's my 2 cents...

@craftymarten Pff yeah, true. This is probably my second real attempt, the first one I jumped into with no ending, or any idea what I wanted out of it. I just had characters and a vague idea, it was kinda awful.

Right now, no. The issue might be the pencils? I'm using the verithin Prismacolor pencils which are hard, scratchy, and don't blend very well. I've been wanting to try out Caran d'Ache Pablo or Faber Castell Polychromos', hearing they're much better quality, but I've been a bit nervous since I've been using the Prismas for so long. A blending pencil would be good investment though, for the larger stuff I may be able to just went a brush and run it over the colored area? The verithins act a little bit like watercolor pencils when water gets on them.

Thank you for the link, and suggestions! You've been really helpful!

@nekoendy Sorry babe, can't take your comment seriously unless you explain why.

Yeah hard pencils over a large area will be quite difficult! I'm really surprised you can produce pages like that, it must take a long time!
The pencils you're talking about I think are oil based instead of the wax based ones like prismas so they blend better but I think the pigments are usually a little duller, and they cost a lot more! I use the regular prismas but they're quite bad for breaking.
The reason I suggested the blending pencil or baby oil is because they're both not very expensive. You'll be able to get both for $5-6 probably so if you don't like them it's no big loss. You should look up some coloured pencil techniques online and just try some out on a new piece of paper, Bristol board doesn't hold water amazingly well so if you're using it a cotton swab with a tiny bit of water is probably the best way to go.

It does take a long time, I usually have to go in layers because don't fully cover the first time around. Although I've been using the same type of pencils for like... 11 years now, so I've sorta learned to work with them.

It's funny how breaking is such a common thing for Prismas, mine are really bad about this if I don't use a very specific type of pencil sharpener. Also I'm not sure if this happens with anyone else who uses verithins but every so often I get a hard chunk on the lead which scratches up the paper something awful, it's even torn holes in less durable paper. I've learned to feel when those chunks come up so my pages don't get too noticeably damaged, but it wastes a lot of lead since I have to either sharpen them out, or pick off the tip where the chunk is.
Because of these issues I think it would be good as a long-term investment to change brands, imo one expensive pack of quality pencils seems cheaper than a less pricey set that breaks all the time, and ends up getting chipped away due to unusable bits. But that's definitely something I'll have to save for.

Lol maybe the dullness of the oil pencils would be good because I have gotten feedback that my colors are too bright.

For right now though, baby oil and/or blending pencils would be the best choice to help with the current issue. Pff wow, you know, I've never actually looked up how to work with color pencils before. It'd probably be a good idea to do that.
Again, thank you for the suggestions! I'll definitely look up some color pencil techniques, and try out the trick with the blender and baby oil. Maybe I'll get a couple stand alone pencils from the brands I mentioned just to see how they work compared to Prismas, because I've never messed with... any other type of pencil before. (I think I played with Kimberly watercolor pencils once upon a time, but I can't remember when or what happened to them, so I have no idea.)

I don't think your colors are too bright, you are doing great.
The dynamic range of your current colored pencils is the real culprit.

I can explain more about "dynamic range" if you want to understand. :smiley:
It would feels annoying if I explain something without you asked though. Or you can study yourself about this.

P/s: I mainly use bright colors btw.

@kytri Pff yeah, super colorful imagery is my jam!

@Draconic From what I've seen so far, correct me if I'm wrong, it seems to have something to do with editing images and image type? I got the assumption from this video:

I'll agree that the contrasts of my pages are a little too... extreme? The scanned, edited version never picks up on all the details or certain colors, things get drowned out. Although I've never taken the time to mess around with my photoshop, and Webtoons only works with JPEG so I just save all images like that.
Of course I could be completely wrong about dynamic range! Sorry about my ignorance, I've actually never been trained in art classically so there's a lot I don't know.

Dynamic range is the ratio between the largest and smallest values that a certain quantity can assume (wiki).
In artwork, dynamic range is the color range that you use to create your art, from the darkest color to the lightest color.

All the colors have to be mixed together to make your artwork more vibriant, and the colored pencils are really hard to be mixed and blended together to create better color dynamic range.

For example, in this colored drawing below (Art by me btw), the color is simple: dark blue (cool) - purple (warm) - cyan (cool) - white (neutral). Those colors are mixed together to create the dynamic range that make you feel the gradient from cool to warm.

I should called this problem the Color Theory instead. It would be easier to help you google.
Color theory are all the same in every medium. It's an interest topic to study and practice, you should dig it when you can. :smiley:

Now color theory makes more sense. I actually started studying up on it a while ago, and it's probably the reason why my stuff is so weird now with the extreme complimentary colors thing regarding shadows and such. I've seen it used in the proper way to direct the eye in illustration work and comics, or to define a certain mood, distance, or... just be a good art piece.
This is the part where I feel a bit challenged with trying to apply that awareness though. I have trouble with mood, not really knowing what I want to do with the colors because I don't know what I want people to feel, and I'm super literal. ("technically this shirt is red, so it's going to stay red.", "technically it's daytime, so it's going to be bright out regardless of what's happening with the story right now.") It makes me a little nervous, "what if I make this big risk with a page only to mess up so bad I have to start over, or I ruin the experience for others?"

Would you call this "tone-deaf" in a sense? Lol. What's funny is my shading used to be way more practical back when first discovering color theory, but in 2015 it just got bad. (This drawing3 was I think one of my first attempts at not using a darker version of the same color for shadows in 2010. While the colors aren't great, they're at least more subdued)
Without applying any proper focus, I think my mind started attempting to do a shading style similar to this:

I'm aware the best way for me to improve, and not be a chicken shit, would be to just do it. Maybe make the time to do some color sketches with a limited color pallet. I actually thought it'd be good to even do those pallet challenges where you get a color set of 4-5 colors to work with.
But yeah, I'll just say I totally don't know what I'm doing. Lmao!

Sorry for the babbling, I really like color theory so I like talking about it... even though the post is just narcissistic dribble. <_<'

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