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Mar 2019

It just doesn't logically make sense as straight (meaning sexually attracted to the opposite sex) would become attracted the the same sex (which is gay). Because if that happened that "straight" character is no longer straight anymore (maybe pansexual or bisexual?) The only way I can see this working is if the character is so ashamed of their sexuality/ afraid of the social repercussions/consequences that they force themselves to be the norm and pretend to be "straight" and deny their feelings every time they find themselves attracted to the same sex. I saw news videos on gay men who are married to women and why they do so, not sure if that may help but that may give some perspective with what you're trying to write about? Depending on execution, the premise could be a good story about self growth and acceptance and overcoming adversity, and like stnmaren already said, avoid the Stockholm syndrome, abusive forced masquerading as a "romance" trope.

Sooooo a lot of replies, and I've only read a few so maybe you have what you need, but here's a little story about your truly:

I grew up in a religious family and was genuinely homophobic for many years of my life. The idea of two girls kissing actually grossed me out.

Bam! I moved out of my parent's house and spent some time on my own, got a crush on my female roommate, was freaked the fuck out because what? I was straight!

Only I never had been. The truth is that we're born with our sexualities, and while I was always bisexual, due to my environment, I just hadn't known. This is probably the only way a "straight" person could fall for someone of their own gender.

Or! They can be homoromantic, meaning they're not sexually attracted to people of the same sex, but can romantically connect with them.

Hope that helps!

Nobody here did that to me and this is why I feel comfortable and unafraid saying this openly. However, I did get into this ugly debate over the topic with someone not so diplomatic. She insisted that nobody is truly straight and that by nature, all of us are bisexual. That argument did not end well and left me feeling angry.

So lesbian until graduation but with a straight dude? I can see that in the 60s when free love was a thing or 50s when the beatniks were around. The stories were pretty funny, either half of them were down for it or the others were like "yeah I ain't doing that shit again" very worth the read if you're into historic stuff and how they comprehended it back then. Probably be the best research.

I think those people were also high on ecstasy or other drugs that made them so excited they would go at it with anyone or anything. Plus, when you are nymphomaniac, you are basically a make out junkie who will go at it with anyone with no real preference as long as you're getting it.

When a person is drugged or not right in the head, they aren't acting rationally or falling in love or so much as being attracted naturally.

I mean sure they took a lot of drugs but I don't you read much about that era i'm guessing since it was more complicated than that.

Sometimes, it's really not complicated at all. When you're drugged or high, you will do all kind of crazy stuff you wouldn't do when sober. I've heard of horror stories like a guy eating his own hand, a lady stripping down naked and running round in snow screaming, and the list goes on. Going at it with someone of the gender you would never be attracted to when aware is just another case like that. Think rape cases where the rapist drugs the victim. The drugged person doesn't want to do it and isn't really consenting. Sometimes, they don't even know the person.

uhhhhhh I was more talking about anecdotal stories about writers/artists who dated to try it out but okay

You can have a story where a character starts out straight, like has an ex-girlfriend(s) and now he has feelings for a guy. There are gay/bi men out there who have ex-wives or former female lovers before coming to terms with their sexuality. However, when they realize they like guys, they then identify as gay/bi.

You could do a true st8 x gay but I personally don't find them pleasant.

  • There is the self-loathing bicurious man who hates himself and wants to only be straight. Tho unless you are going to have the character accept himself this could come off as uncomfortable.

  • You could go the Kyo Kara Maoh! route where the str8 person acts gay but is comically in denial. Tho I find this method sort of annoying. It is more or less a running joke where the punch line is "no homo".

  • Then there is the gay guy who dresses as a woman for fun and the st8 guy falls in love with the female persona. You would have to be careful how you handle this topic. You may run into issues like how this is sort of an fetish as well as real life issues of gay/trans panic.

Well, nobody is saying that here. I'm just saying that for some people, sexuality, up to and including orientation, can be fluid. It doesn't mean they're bi or pan. And sexual orientation isn't all or nothing. 99.9% gay or hetero is, to most people, is more than close enough to count.

ok small disclaimer: I'm not quite sure if I read all the replies here so I hope I won't repeat previous points.
(it kinda got out of hand, I apologise for the length.)

First of all, small story time: I'm myself am bisexual but literally didn't know this fact about myself (even though there were PLENTY of hints) until someone literally asked me in highschool if I had a crush on a boy or a girl. I never grew up in a homophobic region, my parents & families are really liberal and open and I've even seen gay and lesbian couples on TV before. I just never got the idea that my weird obsession with boobs might be a sign that I ... also like girls.

AKA: your character doesn't need to be blatantly homophobic or come from a homophobic background to consider themself straight at first! I wish more people would just include the "totally oblivious" type ("what do you mean you don't appreaciate your best friends' buttocks like that?") instead of internalised homophobia because THAT is a trope played to death (and needs to be handled with a lot of care. If you are just starting out with getting into the whole topic, I'd actually advise against it.)

Also, for people who currently are discussing about "yeah but can that one person turn you gay/straight?" - uhhh... in most cases, if that happens, the person attracted to them usually defines themself as bi or pan then (of course would depend on the time period but if we go by today's standard, they would.) They just aren't as homo- or heterosexual as they innicially thought, that's all about that. How open and "out of the closet" they are about it is a completely different story.

The thing about fluid sexuality: it's that thing where you first thought "well, I'm straight!" - might be because that's just what everyone told you to be, or you just experienced more attraction towards one gender. Then later you might realise "well, maybe I like girls/boys too!" and identify yourself as bisexual. Then you decide "well actually, I really don't like guys? sex with them always felt very uncomfortable, maybe I'm actually a lesbian" until you might realise "wait, I have no sexual attraction to anyone whatsoever, I'm actually asexual but can fall in love with every gender!" boom. Asexual panromantic.
When people say "sexuality is fluid" it means that you are constantly discovering things about yourself and only because you once labelled yourself in one way, you might realise that this label doesn't apply anymore. Also, trauma can change your perception of sex or other things, so this might also influence the perception of your identity until you later find out "wait, that was just my trauma talking!"
People say it because oftentimes, if people need to relabel themselves 5 times, others easily get sceptical, even though it's a very valid thing to relabel yourself (some also just go with "I'm queer" if they are still very unsure about anything but at least can they aren't straight to forego the endless debates.)
It also kinda tackles the whole bisexual experience where you sometimes are more attracted to one gender but later more towards the other. It's just how it is.
However, it doesn't mean that a lesbian who knew she was only into girls since she was 5 and continued to only be into girls and now is 80 can be "turned" into liking men, I'm pretty sure that lady already knows what she's about with her wife on a farm and 20 cats.
Same goes for straight people who even tried "to be gay" and just realised they aren't attracted to the same gender at all.
I personally don't like the "everyone is a little bisexual" because it's just not true - there are just more bisexuals who only have a minor attraction towards another gender than they are majorly attracted to.

But now to the actual question!

If you say

can you sepcify more? Because homophobia wasn't always the same level of bad throughout all of history, it also depends a lot on which country and region you're looking at. It wasn't always illegal, there oftentimes were loopholes in the law and queer people rather feared the social downfall rather than jail (18th century was actually pretty lax as a lot of aristocrats had orgies so it was a bit difficult to keep track, and Edo Period Japan had a similar system of homosexual relationships with their apprentices as the ancient Greeks had.) There were many codes that helped identify each other (I think the most infamous is the "hankerchief") and it also depended on your social status whether you would be shunned by others or not (see Lord Byron). If you have powerful friends, you might get away with much more than if you don't have them.

This reads just Yikes to me. Currently I hope it is about werewolves because having any human race "go feral" at a certain age is just... uhhhhhhh.........

With this premise tbh, I doubt that the gay character would even try anything anymore. Remember that he got labelled a "monster" and got slurs thrown around his head in addition to deeply rooted mistrust from the "straight" MC. If anything like this happened to one of my queer friends (or literally anyone I know) I'd say run and don't look back, they are not worth your time and effort. I seriously couldn't think of a reason why I'd want to be in a relationship with such a person.

BUT since this is only about how MC might actually fall in love with the gay character instead of them getting together, here we go!
Supposedly straight MC could notice over time that he deeply misses the gay character but doesn't know why. Some people simply know they're in love only if their love isn't available anymore. Sprinkle in some daoubt and guilt, wishing he'd come back, all the secret pining yadda yadda. He might think about the confession and "how can a man love another man" and slowly overthink his homophobic ideology.
Maybe he tries to learn more about the gay character in some way (though this can easily tread in stalker behaviour) and thus understand him more, adjust more to his thinking etc. But seriously, have the gay character keep his distance, that's a step MC has to do himself without him (plus gay character shouldn't need to go about educating someone who mistreated him so badly.) Also note that this most likely will take years for the gay character to heal and for the supposedly straight character to grow out of his bullshit.
Then, years later, MC might try to contact the gay character to reconcile but tbh he must earn gay chara's trust first before anything can come out of it, and that might take ...again some time.

(I just read it now, basically all what Poppy mentioned.)

You should also note that a lot of kids shows' villains are queer-coded, and having a queer character be called a monster (plus the link with being "feral") can get you into a VERY tight spot. Please please PLEASE do thourough research on not only the history of the queer community in the region you're dealing with but also racial and queer stereotyping and how to avoid/undermine them.

Uhhh.. yeah.

entirely possible, a character of mine (based on real experiences) didnt even know being gay was an option because of the environment he grew up in. No one ever talked about it so it never occurred to him until he met someone and was like oh...i...think i might not be straight.

2 months later

Sorry for this late reply. I thought i figure it out but im secon guessing. The "feral thing" has something to do with a magic curse on the gay MC's race. It turns them into mindles things that either get their rage on or just do nothing. Rage is more common. His race decided to start breeding faster in age so that they could grow the population before the feral come on. Having someone gay fits that whole "you're killing the race" thing so that's why his own race don't like him. Everyone else is just scared he's gonna tear sht up when he goes crazy.

And in fairness, the straight MC doesn't know much about gayness and thinks he could get "hurt" in an uncomfortable and misinformed way... so...

9 days later

I'm not saying you can't make it work, it's just having a lot of problematic tropes that can become very difficult to handle properly, especially without much experience on the topic. Being called a monster or traitor isn't exactly uncommon for gay people, same with being called "over-sensitive" when pointing out inequalities (=tearing shit up when he goes crazy), so pouring salt into exactly this wound might be counter-productive.

The only way I could come up to resolve this somehow would be for the MC to eventually figure out how to break the curse à la "true love conquers all" - like he needs to realise his true feelings for the gay character and accept him the way he is etc. but I'm not quite sure if that's what you've planned to happen.

Having someone gay fits that whole "you're killing the race" thing so that's why his own race don't like him.

but do you actually need that? I get that homophobia is prevelent in the real world, but if homophobia in his race was such a big deal still, wouldn't he be very cautious to not go out of the closet, especially considering he doesn't know the MC very well/knows if he can trust him? Maybe being gay and not reproducing is considered also a good thing since they don't want yet another generation of cursed children?
I don't know anything about the curse here but since it already has a lot of fantasy elements, you don't necessarily need to keep up with the "everyone is homophobic in that time" stereotype. Having friends of the gay chara call the MC out on his homophobic assumptions might actually be a nice change for once, especially when they make it clear that everyone from their race suffers from this and is scared of their "feral" side as well, desperate to lift the curse.

idk if that even remotely helps ^^;

Okay so what if i change it to "straight" MC not wanting to accept his homosexuality cause of the views forced on him?

well i understand where you are coming from. I actually agree with vfinnigan, but I will have to disagree with you because I am straight and I actually have met some girls I would genuinely hook up with or even postally have a relationship with but it won't be too serious. I actually have engaged in some act although I couldn't go further to having coitus but I have succeeded in other things.
All I am trying to say is that it is possible for a straight woman to be attracted to another woman. it doesn't mean you want to marry hem and start a family. but you could have a friendship and postally some hook ups. thats all I'm saying.

I have a character who thought he was straight his whole life until he falls in love with my other male character. I’ve shown him struggling to understand his feelings for another male and coming to terms with the fact he’s likely bi.

Maybe it's time to realize it's a continuum. Between the totally straight person who never will in their life have any interest in persons of same sex, and the totally gay person who never will in their life have any interest in persons of opposite sex, EVERYTHING exists. After, it's all a question of vocabulary. But it's wrong to assume all bi are interested with exactly the same intensity in the opposite sex than in same sex, and it's also understandable that someone who is overwhelmingly more interested in one sex over the other will say they are straight/gay rather than bi. It's not necessarily social pressure, it can be simply because it's statistically more significant in their life.
Well, I suppose so anyway. I'm one of those persons who can't really imagine what it would be to have preferences based on sex or gender.

6 months later

I think if he falls in love with a person of the same gender, to put it simply, they just aren't straight.

it's not like, in that time where there is less tolerance for gay people, there wouldn't be any gay people, it's less tolerable, not impossible.

if anything, a gay person in that time would probably just hide the fact that they are gay to people who might not take this info so kindly, or they don't realize their orientation.

so this character if anything wouldn't be open to share it in fear that they might be scolded.

you can't just... choose to be straight you know.