BY dismissing Liefield you dismiss his cultural impact on the comic world. And Lee could be Jim or Jay.
Stan Lee is famous as a writer. I think people often forget about Jack Kirby who was the artist of a lot of the original Marvel comics.
I just want to add that the number of panels in one episode is often too much for me when reading other people's comics.
I sometimes find myself tiring of so much scrolling and checking to see how much more is left to keep reading. Long episodes can feel like such a drag and the panels look too similar or sketchy.
I've counted before and some episodes seriously have 70-90 panels! To me, that's just way too overwhelming for one episode.
I'm pro-boat-rocking, but it's also like ... I don't think we need the boat? I can't really bring myself to get up in arms about this. I feel like what @BoomerZ is getting at here is: if you want to make art, make art. Just don't complain about people treating it as a product.
How you react to it is up to you, You can continue at your own pace and not cave to the pressure to work long, hard hours, but then you don't get to complain about your work going unseen and people getting bored and leaving because you're too slow. Or you can throw yourself into the rat race and hope to place well, and I guess betray your fellow artists by contributing to raising the output standards. But the choice has always been ours.
I get that it can be hard to resist the pressure, but I can sympathize more with someone who's like "how do I deal with the pressure to push myself to an unhealthy degree to meet readers' expectations, help" than someone who's like "audiences these days are so entitled, we as webcomic makers are doomed to slavery, and that's terrible" ^^;
Not gonna dismiss Liefeld for his impact on the industry and such, but as things begun to settle & unravel- the bottom line is dude isn't the best artist; he caught fire when the industry was shifting its perimeters...by more people looking at what [Jim] Lee was doing and how aesthetically sound most of his work was, it made it easier to dissect Liefeld's stuff. There was a period where Liefeld was trying to refine his stuff and get better, and then it seemed he just said "f**k it" & went back to being lazy about his work, as well as bitching & barking at folks on Twitter.
Not directly to OP, but tbh if, you're not drawing webtoons professionally, just do what you can, the best you can. I read TONS of interesting Canvas titles which less than 15 panel chapters and they have a lot of subs and patrons. Usually they balance the small amount of panels with faster paced writing and meaningful action. If someone complains, tell them to gobble on your chinchin.
If you want to be a pro, tho, unfortunatelly there is not much escape. Once users get used to a certain standard, it's too late. If they are paying, too, it's Oof. I'm getting back from a year and something hiatus because I couldn't even stare at my own characters anymore, and I'm already spreading some oil on my back to make the lashing less hurtful. Professional Webcomics may be an excruciating journey, but hey! It's also where I get my best pay and it's my most successful artistic endeavour so far...
Another thing, "Golden Age" on Webtoons is long gone. If you didn't make it to Originals until 2019, it will be reaaaaaaaaaaally hard for you to get an audience now. Most probably WT will kep squeezing Lore Olympus for more 10 years than investing in new IP.
i respect this and i absolutely respect the folks who manage to keep up i think my plea is just a bit of balance or a little extra patience for those who maybe dont have the time or ability to keep up with those standards which obviously can lead to some more nuanced convos but i know that only so much can be done to create change which is why ive just kind of backed away from it all
it hurts but then again thats life or whatever 
ANNNND not too long after the post I made, a pic goes up on Twitter from an ad/campaign that Webtoons put up in a train station that states "Comics is Literature's fun side hustle"
So all of comic artist twitter is up in arms about it.
And Webtoon just released a tweet/statement trying to walk it back...
Le sigh.
yeah i was kinda wondering if anyone would double back here after the uproar but it's interesting because the ads themselves kind of speak volumes on how presumably the site or maybe more precisely it's higher ups view creators as not much more than content and ip farms for them to generate revenue off of
like for folks who want context theres the main post that kind of set things off here
https://twitter.com/KenneDuck/status/153675661456423731342
and webtoons response here
https://twitter.com/webtoonofficial/status/153682079496090419232
This is why I draw comedic gag comics. I mean, I'm not exactly marketable since my comic has "punk' in the name and I'm pretty much all about taking down the big corporation, but eh. Revolution and renaissance has to be taken into our own hands or it'll never come to fruition.
Same here. Besides gag comics being a good starting point when getting into writing and drawing characters, even if Webtoon did express interest in turning it into an original, they wouldn't be able to request for me to create a longer-form comic without looking incredibly tone-deaf about the structure of daily comic strips.
To be frank...I really don't think it is a ridiculous standard. These aggregate sites are running a business for paying customers. They also give people a platform to host stuff on for free.
It's not like they're asking the small creators to do this.
For the bigger creators, they're employing people that willingly signed a contract to produce webcomics at the competitive rate.
Yes it does set a standard. But as an amateur, not signed into a contract, small creator I'm not beholden to that standard. If I want to grow my audience, I will have to do all the work, promoting, etc. Am I a fan of the tactics Tapas and Webtoon use sometimes? No I'm not. But I don't expect them to act out of character for what they are.
After all, I'm on here for free. I didn't sign anything saying I'd make X pages for X deadline. I own my responsibility to produce my work at my own pace.
I see what you mean, but I think the issue is that general webtoon readers aren't aware enough of the differences between original series, which often have entire teams behind them, and independent creators who usually work solo.
As a result, they are so spoiled by the long, weekly updates that they become impatient when reading series which don't update as frequently with as much content. This wasn't as much of an issue before the vertical scroll became popular since most webcomics were used to updating a page's worth of material a few times a week with hiatuses when needed.
I think in general the mass population of entertainment consumers is just spoiled rotten by media catering to them. This has been going on for years, there's an exess of entertainment for people to pick from, so they naturally demand more.
It's not necessarily one group of readers, it's a culture of consumers that's been nurtured over the last several decades to get exactly what they want, when they want.
It is impossimble to grow on webtoons. I've been on there almost 3 years still under 60 subscribers. What bugs me is they want your webtoon to have a ton of subscribers you get a small subs, then someone unsubscribes. Please try not to unscribe it hurts us creators we all do care about who subscribes, likes comment our hard work. Anyone else agrees.
Oh I forgot this one realy gets me is comics on webtoons just started they have 1 or 6 episodes and all ready they have 200k or 1.m subscribers with in a few months out on webtoons, and it gets better a lot of the webtoons canvas ones have one page promo not art, story, or not even long scroll or color. And they have already 6k subscribers.
Fundamentally this is how capitalism works, the need for companies to extract as much profit with as little investment as possible, without regard for any ethical costs. What Webtoon is doing is what happens across every industry that can get away with it— that’s the really horrifying part.
I don't see a future in Webtoons and Tapas unless you're the top percentage, y'know?
Personally, I've been thinking lately I want to step back, regress the formula a bit. Back in the early days of webcomics, the strongest comics didn't need Keenspot or whatever to host, they had their own sites. And webcomics got big because of webrings. Not social media, not Tapas or Webtoons, but websites. Webcomic websites, with links to other webcomics. Forums existed, not discord!
Ideally, I want to create a new community of webcomics. Maybe its just delusions of grandeur, fantasizing about being revolutionary, but, you're never gonna change the world if you never try.
Here's what I'm thinking: Get 4 other comickers on board for one site, that releases 5 different strips M-F. IE Artist A releases on Monday, B on Tuesday, etc. Not even the same comic, everyone just doing their own comic (preferably like-minded), just hosted on the same site to corral people to. From there, you've already got a team onboard with the power of 5x what you'd have by yourself. Create a community based off these artists, add forums, talk it out, and people will WANT to join this community, as long as people are able to find out about it.
Its just, we can't win if we play their game. We have to flip the table.