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  1. it's a harsher phrasing but you're not owed an answer but also sometimes folks wont see it, wont know how to respond, or feel that an answer already exists. but you cannot and will not ever be able to control people's response, and that's just a fact of life

  2. my method is exploration writing. doing test scenes of stuff that happens in the story or side scenarios that likely wont fit in the final cut but can serve as an opportunity to better understand the character's "voice". it's also helped studying how other folks write their characters and keep them consistent.

  3. this simply comes with practice and probably more exploration writing, you wont know what works till you try it and then see what feedback or response is given. you can also again try to see how other pieces of media balance tone throughout their story and see how things are executed.

i'll also add as a more general response that if you feel this uncertain, finding writing workshops or classes online or offline could be useful. i cant speak to how accessible that is to you coz i've only found paid online courses when i went looking for things but there could be stuff in discord servers or other communities it's just seeking them out

At risk of sounding like an asshole:
Because people are likely tired of your bullshit and don't feel like wasting their time and effort on you anymore. We've all been through this song and dance with you before. You come here seeking specific help, that help is then given to you. But that just turns into this endless loop of questioning the advice and unwillingness to understand. Which only ever results in all parties having lost a lot of time.

So yeah, I'm honestly not surprised no one has replied to your threads. And if I'm being really honest, the day I saw you returned I kinda rolled my eyes, thinking "Oh no, here we go again."

How do I get better at drawing?

You practice.

How do I practice?

You pick up a pencil and draw something.

How do I draw something?

On a piece of paper.

Where do I get paper?

Seriously?

How do I seriously?

FFS...

Okay. I'll try to take all of your advice and improve.

How do I get better at drawing?

You practice.

How do I practice?

You pick up a pencil and draw something.

How do I draw something?

On a piece of paper.

Where do I get paper?

Seriously?

How do I seriously?

FFS...

Okay. I'll try to take all of your advice and improve.

How do I get better at drawing?

Shitty Groundhog Day

  1. We all have our own lives and we only have so much energy to help strangers on the internet. Plus the active users on this Forum is pretty small. That is why post tend to have the same 10 or 20 people popping up.
  2. I feel like we already answered this question. It's hard to give a good answer because they are your characters and we only know so much.
  3. Again, a repeat question. You need to just practice practice practice. Plus analyze other people's work.

Sorry, it actually wasn't an advice thread. I'd just post that somewhere else if I didn't know where else to put it. These are posts I only know how to make work in this forum specifically. I don't think I'm owed an answer, it's just that it's rare that I don't get one and I don't understand what's different now. Like I've said stupider things that are less worth discussing and gotten massive discussions out of that.

I'll try that. Do you know any good pieces of fiction where a character is happy until something shows up to trigger their trauma? That's the moment I have issues with, and I want to see how a better writer does it. Because to me, character is happy until bad thing happens and now they're sad seems like the most natural switch in the world to me, but apparently I do it wrong.

I rewrote that first post to make it more clear what is happening.

Would it help if I showed you this google doc I made of writing and art advice I was given? It was the reason I vanished for months, so I could fully change my behavior on this forum.

Also people did reply to my new threads, and I actually have the best luck with advice threads, more than I deserve honestly. It's just these two that no one responded to.

I don't mean to be defensive but has this happened at any point since February? I don't think it has. I could be wrong though.

I didn't realize this was a character specific thing. Like I didn't mean it like "How do I get Mr. Nobody the teenage homeless transmasc goofball army deserter with CPTSD to say a funny line" I meant like, how do writers have situations where something is said that both makes sense narratively and is surprising and therefore funny.

I mean i'm like looking at a blank space in the script unable to identify anything that would be like a funny thing to say in this situation, and works with the situation. Like anything, regardless of who is saying it and why, in a moment where a joke should really go here, because it's a lighthearted situation involving the jokester character who is going to make a joke here. I think I might be doing better than I thought, but people still universally don't like Nobody as a character for his humor, so I clearly still struggle with that.

Hello friend.

Quite a few of the responses I've seen for you are pretty rude. I've read through them and it seems uncalled for. I've had many experiences where I've asked questions, but was just meant with hostility. I'm sorry this has happened to you too. I have many questions I never received answers too, but saying something like people are tired of your bullshit is just plain rude.

There are nicer ways to say things in general. Like "Some people have responded to your questions to the best of they're ability. They don't have any other information to provide".

Or "They've given answers, but the questions seemed to be phrased similarly, so it's like an endless loop of the same responses".

Addressing some other responses. Everyone's mind works differently, so things will be worded differently and interpreted differently. You may have intended a different meaning, but what was interpreted different. Same has happened to me. It's okay it happens.

If I ask a question and no one responds, I would also wonder if I said something strange. You are not "demanding" people stop what they're doing and answer you. You are wondering if you offended someone, said something strange, was it a weird question...Etc.

It is a learning experience and I think it's a great idea you asked. I'm also curious about that myself. The questions seem okay to me from what I've seen.

I don't disagree, but it's not like this came from nowhere in my case. I've actually been pretty annoying up to this point.

Not really, I don't think I offended people, but I do just want to know why these posts specifically are being ignored and how I'd make these posts something people would want to reply to, and If I can't, what to do as an alternative.

My responses to your questions.

Almost everything is subjective. Someone will say something was done poorly, but others will call it a work of art. That is the first thing I would like for you to consider.

  1. People have most likely not noticed because they needed to focus more on personal lives (work, family, etc) or something was lost in translation with your question, so negative interpretations were made.

  2. The key to subverting expectations is to know the trope/stereotype and do something different.

Ex. Before a big battle one of the characters talks about wanting to propose, see family afterwards or fulfill a regret. The tropes say that is a death flag and everyone would expect them to die. If everyone else who didn't have death flags died instead then you subverted expectations or if this character actually lived to fulfill what they stated.

  1. Balancing tone and tone switches is all about easing into it.
    Ex. You're character has a nightmare about abuser, but keeps it to themselves. Friends notice something is off about their usual behavior, so they try talking to them. Character says their fine and tries to keep usual happy personality on display. Another person shows up for your barb shooting scene.

Friends think "Guess that person is okay if they can act like this". Barb shooting continues down a path, but character passes by a store where abuser is. They quickly hide. The person they are playing with doesn't see where they went and runs off looking for them.

Abuser walks by hiding place. Character covers their mouth to hide panicky breathing. Abuser lingers for a moment before continuing on. Character comes out of hiding place and Barb shooter friend finds them. Notices they are shaken up, maybe looks pale.

They question if they are ok. They don't go into a fit of rage or anything, instead they say they need some time alone. They are trying to calm themselves.

End Scene

If the the trauma is supposed to be more rage filled have small doses of it triggered by related things. Like if the abuser is a parent. Friends are talking about they're parents and great memories with them. Your character seems annoyed and says they want to talk about something else. More scenes happen before full blown rage or sad emotional breakdown.

Take the usual day to day and change behaviors, reactions, but in small doses to the build up.

No, you are not annoying. No one should receive harsh words for asking a question. That is how people learn. There are no dumb questions.

You just want to solve a problem instead of just ignoring it.

oof i hope i didn't phrase things too poorly but i think if anything it's boils down to timing (whose online to see a post) and chance (whether the people who see it' do or don't decide to give a response). like i've posted threads here and other places and sometimes you get replies or manage to have a proper discussion and other times it's kind of spirals into...something else

i know that folks have a harder time giving you grace given you're full time here on the forums and not just recent activity but i want to believe that folks can be given second chances especially since you do seem eager to try to take in what advice is given it's just weeding out whats actually useful and whats just overly harsh and unnecessary criticism

but onto the second half

this ones hard to pinpoint since i personally draw from a lot of different things including video games, movies, television, comics and so on and my brain kinda clings to whatever i've digested recently (if that wording makes sense) so thinking of anything right this moment is a little difficult but if anything comes to mind i'll def come back to this

if anything i'm used to it following the metrics of like a jar filling so if the character is already stressed from seeing a thing thats reminded them of past suffering or are just generally overwhelmed then you're going to see progressive changes in their demeanor whether it's withdrawing or more adamantly trying to change a topic of conversation from something that would make them feel worse or just outright doging the subject if it's brought up. as for fallout i think i go for either spilling out (crying, trembling, being uneasy without noticing) or blowing up. sometimes it's a verbal thing sometimes it's in action but it depends on how your character expresses themself

plus not every response is ooc and if anything it can add to the layers of a character when they do something unexpected like the quiet character whose been holding onto their emotions finally lashing out to the surprise of their peers; so even though to those around them or even some readers it seems "out of character" it's really just been mounting emotions reaching their boiling point and the same can happen in reverse with the usually outgoing or chatty character suddenly becoming quiet and shut off or the "jokester" character becoming very serious and dry cut. it's one of those benefits to human emotions having such nuance because when you take in all factors you can see how things play together to create a certain result

its still a trail and error kind of thing so you'll obviously have to work out what you feel works best for your own characters but kind of studying out how people react to things and how people depict it in media as a point of reference will help

Nothing about your description would make them impossible to be funny. So I don't understand why you are needling people here for help.

Teenage and transmasc are just visual description of the character. Homeless and army deserter are just social class. What's left...people with PTSD can struggle with managing their emotions but I have met veterans with PTSD which just seem like average joes and can still be funny. PTSD is an invisible disability and not always obvious during casual conversations. Also saying your character is a goofball, you are telling me they are supposed to be funny, so what's the issue?

  1. Well, if they’re not advice threads, what are they? It’s hard to answer without that info. But generally speaking, yeah, advice threads and soecegic questions tend to get a lot more response than some other types. Like, if you’re asking for a review/feedback, that can be a lot of work, and so fewer people are willing to invest. Often times the hardest part is finding the first person to read and review, but once forum people see that one person respond, a few more are more willing to join in. Why? I don’t know. How do you get that first person? It’s just kinda luck.

  2. I wouldn’t know how to answer this without context. If there is a formula one can learn to this kind of thing, I simply don’t know it.

  3. Probably practice, mostly. This kind of thing can be subjective, too. Like I tend to enjoy/not mind tonal whiplash in things. But it bothers other people. Just keep the internal logic of the story intact?

  4. Sorry, I don’t know. As a neurodivergent person, you often have to work really hard and try lots of different things to find what works. I find I have to constantly find new ways to motivate and structure myself, because a truck that worked in the past becomes less effective as I change. Mindset, practice, will, research, google. You just never stop trying, my friend.

I didn't mean to imply these things would make it harder to give this character jokes because of his situation. I just meant I didn't mean it as like "This exact singular situation is the one where I want to work in the comedy" because I'm talking about comedy in general.

Like I don't know how to make a genuinely funny line happen in most of the narrative events going on here, no matter which characters are on screen. That's what I'm asking. Like... here's a scene.


Cut to them eating it.
Nobody (mouth full): This is so good.
Orion is kind of nervous about it but also kind of likes the attention.

Nobody: You really have a gift.
Orion: It's nothing, really.
This conversation is making him uncomfortable.
Nobody: (Insert funny line here)

Like what would go in that blank that's even a little bit funny? This is just one of maybe hundreds of moments where I just can't make it work, and but I don't want this character to not make a joke there. This is basically every situation. The only way I can imagine a properly funny joke is by reading it somewhere else.

I have written funny things before. I once knocked myself dead reading an old tumblr post where I said I had the media literussy, and that phrase still makes me laugh a bit, but that only works in a satirical tumblr post, you can't have a fictional character say shit like that.

Old jokes I wrote for Nobody were stuff like him mentioning cancer and holding up a Moe anime girl he pulled out of hammerspace, or ordering a sundae with beans, bacon, and hot sauce, then leaving without eating it, or saying "waste is based" after someone said the word waste. Like just nonsense for no reason.

I feel like there are probably blogs and books on how to write jokes/be funny. Sounds like that’s what you need. It’s too vast and complex a topic to get a straight forward answer in a thread imo.

You have a setup with no punchline. Your joke should be about Nobody (hate the name but whatever) overreacting. Their response should be making the gift into a big deal. Maybe hyping it up too much or going full self-deprecating. "I don't have any amazing gifts but I can..." then insert something silly or mundane. Orion then follows up with a reaction to said statement.