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Aug 2020

Ok, I am honest, I think a lot of your reading this topic will start laughing and saying "Piss off" as a lot of writers do when I ask this question :sweat_smile: But I thought I try :wink:

I am relatively new to writing. Over the past 2 years, I wrote a handful of short stories and just started writing a long one. I should mention, I never wrote before, I never learned this trait and I also write not in my main language, which makes it even worse :sweat_smile:

So, anyone has some tips for improving myself or should I think to give up and not even think about to continue writing because I have no experience with it?

My story is very young, I only published the prologue and the first two chapters, with the first part of the third, so I am still in my finding phase :slight_smile:

Every little tip is appreciated :slight_smile:

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Hi there! How're you doing today?

I'm a relatively new writer myself so there's not much that can offer that would prove to be useful. But @KRWright is a very good writer himself, who helped me with clarifying some mistakes in my writing and if you'd have any questions, I think he's the right person to ask.

Have a good one!

P.S. I hope you don't mind me pinging you...

If improving is what you want then here is step one to making an amazing story:

Actually love your characters

If you aren’t already doing this then learn to. Don’t expect to make a good story if you treat the characters like garbage.

Another one is try to revert cliches. People say they’re bad so just make it interesting.

And last of all: Experience

It’s easier to write something while or after you experienced it.

Don’t forget to love your story!

P.S. I’m no professional. And I realized these were mostly how to write a plot. Wonderful. Keep writing.

No, please continue! Everyone starts somewhere. :heart: You know one way you can improve your writing? By reading lots! :grin: You start to see the many different ways stories can be constructed, which is wonderful. Another thing is doing research. Just like art, you'll need references on how to construct certain things depending on what your story is about.

Lots of love and practice for your work also never hurts haha!

Hmmm, good question! I'd say it is important to keep consistency in your writing and plot. And reread your writing every once in a while to keep your mind fresh on it, but make sure to not get stuck in a loop of perfectionism.
And lastly, don't be afraid to take breaks on it if you need to!

Hi

I started writing in February and my native isn't English either, so I completely understand your feelings;
What thaught me the most was just doing it. Weird and silly, but it's true, it's like training a muscle.
I finished a full novel in 5 months. (I have a fulltime job and kids for reference)
But what helped me too was my editor. SHe was first just a friend, but her native is ENglish and she helped me grow and thaught me a lot about writing and word usage.

thesaurus is my best friend tbh xD

Writing has many aspects that can be worked on, so it`s hard to give advice without knowing what aspects are you interested on improving. Some examples of aspects of writing:

Characterization: How solid are your characters?, do they feel real?, do they wake up the interest of readers?, do readers love them?/hate them? (some characters are designed to be hated)

World building: how relevant this aspect is will depend of the kind of story: How do things work in your story setting, magic?, sci-fi?, realism?. Any specific time period?.Are there any fantastical creatures?aliens?, politics?history?

Pacing: if your story drags on without advancing, you may have a slow pacing. If your story advances at a rate your readers get lost, your pacing may be too fast. A good pacing helps in keeping the readers excited. Also, there are times when things can go slower, like an emotional moment between two lovers, or go intense and fast like an action scene. Think of it like a roller coaster.

Wish you the best and hope this helps!

I read a lot. I think a lot. I read the books on editing and story structure. But, above all, I need to be in love with my story or it wouldn't work.

For me, the biggest art in writing is getting the tension--that's the ingredient that makes people want to turn the next page. Without it, nothing else matters, not the diction, not the solid prose, not the originality of the plot.

Something that I found helped was to find a book with a style of writing I liked and read it very carefully. Not for entertainment but looking at the specific sentence structure the author used. Don't pass a single sentence until you've understood the exact words and punctuation the author is using and have an idea of why they did. It takes a long time to read this way, but I found it instructive.

Read. Read a lot. Reread books that you love; read fluff; read "serious" literature; read things both outside and inside of your usual genres. Your subconscious will get the hang of things in a way that your frontbrain can't. The more you read, the better you'll get. Obviously it takes work as well, but I really believe that the best way to improve at writing is to feed your brain with books.

@Fuzed

Good as always :wink:

I think having someone who takes their time helping out is a good place to start - Having some fresh and foreign eyes might show things you don´t see.
In my case, I think this person might have his work cut out because I have the problem that my brain always shows me what I wanted to write, but what I put down might be something a little bit differently :sweat_smile:

Thanks :slight_smile:


@Harelow17

Thanks for your input :slight_smile:

TBH, I only started because I once created characters I just love :slight_smile:
So, I know exactly what you mean - Bad characters can destroy even the best theme and idea, but great characters you will watch even if they just sit in a room doing their taxes.

Oh, I think every writer will fall into the cliches trap at some point ^^ But that makes actually sense what you say.

Yeah "Experience" :confused: I sometimes feel like if you don´t have at least a little bit, you really never should start writing - something a lot of writers told me the past two years - and they even told me to never write again, because my stuff is so bad, it not even deserves to exist as an idea.

I love my stories, as bad as they are, but I just feel at some point that doesn´t really help :confused:

I think it doesn´t matter getting ideas from a "Non-Professional" because I believe every little bit helps to decide where to go :slight_smile:

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@MeltingCORE

I am still thinking about it tbh. Not because I don´t want to, but I just fear after the past two years, my "work" is just not "good" enough to be read by people. But I agree that you have to start somewhere :wink:

Reading a lot is so true :smiley: THe past few years I read so many stories, and I believe it had part why I wanted to try it myself ^^

"Love" and "Practice" are everywhere plastered on my monitor :smiley:

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@DualDragons

Mmhh, I am not sure, but isn´t it very difficult at the beginning to stay consistent? I mean if you slowly try to find your style there might be a lot of changes - or do I misunderstand you here?

Yeah, rereading is something that I found out at an early stage because it helps a lot of finding errors.

But that thing with taking brakes is one I have to keep in mind because if I start something I have seen, that I might keep going.

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@WolfUnderTheMoon89

That is good to know - so I know I am not alone out there ^^

"Just doing it," you say - I always feel that brings me in more problems :smiley: My first stories I actually did this way, just sitting down and writing, but they were all absolute rubbish :smiley: Then I wrote after some "manuals" and that was even worse - I still have to find my style ^^

You remind me of someone I know who just started his next story - he has the same distractions and uses them in some way :slight_smile:

Yeah, having an editor is helpful, but I sadly can´t afford one and I have no friend who can help me here ^^

For the moment I am happy to have the free version of Grammarly :smiley:

Thanks for your input :slight_smile:

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@DiegoPalacios

Yeah, you are right, there are so many aspects - and I am honest, I never really thought about it :frowning:
For me, I always thought to begin with the basics and find out what I could change and where to go. But I think, for that, I need someone taking their time reading my stories and give some advice from there :confused:

Thanks :slight_smile:

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@domisotto

It's a good suggestion, but sadly my brain can´t work with learning through books :frowning:
I am more a hands-on guy - I learn through doing and failing - but yes, I already realized, writing isn´t the best thing for me in this case :confused:

I have to agree, but wouldn't also good characters keep someone going?

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@Berserker

That is actually a good idea, thanks :slight_smile:

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@elisabeth_ist

Thanks for the advice, but I feel my brain isn´t really open for this :smiley:
I read a lot, something that might be one of the reasons that brought me to start writing, but seeing my stories, they get worse from page to page :smiley:

What I mean by staying consistent, is making sure that story elements you implement in your story remain logical and present in that story.
For example, if your story is about gunslingers in the wild west, it would be rather weird and inconsistent if they suddenly encountered tanks or jetplanes out of the blue.

I only have one tip because it's something I see a lot, but it's really simple. To tell a good story, your characters have to do something. A lot of writers get too caught up in describing settings or having long and unnecessary conversations between characters that could be cropped out. I used to do a lot of critiques where I'd read the first 3-5 chapters of someone's work, and it would frustrate me if they had all these really good descriptions but no plot. For example, someone had 5 chapters of dialogue that went in circles instead of the characters going anywhere or exploring the new world they were in. So, have your characters do something, whether it be exploring, completing a side task that aids the overall plot, or anything along those lines.

Best of luck to you! :heart:

@DualDragons

Ah, sorry, I misunderstood you. Yeah, that makes more sense.
TBH this is something I actually feared might happen at some point and to try to avoid it, I put a very rough script down, so I don´t lose my ideas and thoughts.

But I have to admit, my story at the moment gives me a little room because I use some themes like magic and science that I can work a little bit, I just have to be careful to not contradict the world's laws.

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@redfeather714

Hey, that is now very interesting, because everyone who has told me I am doing everything wrong, actually told me I concentrated too much on what my characters are doing, instead of telling how the world looks. I always thought that the reader should follow the characters and their adventures. When we need to explain the world, then we should do it through the eyes of the characters and not as page-long interludes.

But I have to say, I might be much in love with the idea to tell the world through my characters on their journey, I just love the idea of road stories ^^
But seeing how people react on them, I sometimes believe that it is just me who thinks this way :smiley:

Thanks :slight_smile:

Yeah, I agree...I think a paragraph or two is enough for describing surroundings, but definitely not an entire page.

well, can you think of a genre book with amazing characters, but the happenings not holding your attention? In visual media, okay, maybe you can draw someone so hot that people would contentedly watch them read a train schedule. Literary fiction, if you are into this, can give you the character exploration story, but it will still have tension. You will still be looking for what the character feels or thinks next.

What makes a character appealing outside the events they participate in? That they are alive? Do you follow the lives of people around you with much interest, unless some drama is happening?

No don't worry! This thread is great! I feel like a lot of people are affraid to ask for tips.

I always appreciate reading a lot, because it allows you to compare what you like about your writing and what not. Try to make a good balance between long and short sentences as well to keep the flow not choppy or dreadfully long and, grammar correcters like grammarly are lifesavers! Especially if you're native language is not English like for me.

For characters, try writing down their main motivation and use that main motivation to fuel their actions.

I in the same boat as you, so I use my power on my plot and worldbuilding. Then I write on my bad English, then my co-writer make it readable :wink:
I learn from my co-writer and the time we have work together I have grow from English 1 to 3 of 10
And we had not done, I will keep fighting.

If you can found someone to work with you will it be great. But you have to believe in your story and keep going for that.

@domisotto

I have to be honest, I actually just saw a story where the two main characters do nothing than talk about their life in one room and one of them trying to comfort the other one to relax and pamper him from all the stress he has.

And my all-time favorite story is actually a story about two characters just traveling through a middle eval like Europe and trade. But most of the drama is between the characters and not about the world.

But maybe I am just too strange :slight_smile:

Or maybe I am just misunderstanding you and we might talk about the same but I am not quite getting what you mean, if that is the case sorry :sweat_smile:

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@MeLovesTacos

That is good to know :slight_smile:
And I can understand that - sadly a lot of writer forums are very hostile places for beginners :frowning:
What I had to listen too, actually put me off writing for quite some time, and I only tried it now again, but I am still not sure, and every day I fear I find under my posted story the same feedback under it when I check it out.

Reading is something a lot of people say is important, so it might be good that reading brought me to this point to even try :slight_smile:

I think that is something I have covered. My main characters from my first story (the one I haven´t posted) actually came from an old P&P RPG, and over time evolved, but I still am thinking about how to tell their stories. The character I am writing about now came from an idea I had for a while and concentrate full on her. I would tell you to try reading it, but I don´t want to encourage good writers to read what I put down :smiley:

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@Larslaustsen

You lucky person :slight_smile:
Sadly I have no one - most people I know are not interested in stories or don´t know English, or just don´t like the theme of my stories ^^ So I have to get it done on my own :slight_smile: