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When developing your characters what resources have you used in the pass and continue to use?
Are there any particular books you'd like to recommend? Myself, the books on writing that talk about characters I never found helpful and they all seems to give the same general idea that characters should be interesting with out giving practical tools for making interesting characters.

My go to book for many years has been "Are You My Type, Am I Yours? : Relationships Made Easy Through The Enneagram" It's a self help (pseudo ?) psychology book for developing healthier relationships. I use it for a general starting point when my ideas are still fairly vague. For each of the character types it discusses how they view the other types and gets along with them. So I find it useful when I'm trying to write a scene where two characters are meeting for the first time. Another thing about the book I find useful is the last chapter's discussion on Myer-Briggs MBTI and how it lines up with the enneagram personality types.
It's good for a starting point or when I get stuck and trying to see things from my character's perspective, but I never let it become strict rules for everything a character can say and do. People are too complicated and that would be stifling of my own creative ideas.

If you've read a book on writing or have your own go to resource for characters please share!

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I always take the time to fill out details about any character that is somewhat important to the plot. When I was in school, one of my teachers gave us a sort of form to fill out, and I still have it and use it. I'm not sure where it originally came from, so unfortunately I can't direct others to the exact one I use, but it's a long list of questions. All I know is that the top of the page says 'QUESTIONS TO ASK YOUR CHARACTERS'.

It's things like:
What are their mannerisms?
Do they have any impediments?
What side of the bed do they sleep on?

It's great because it really makes you think, and forces you to make them a three dimensional character.

If I had to recommend just one book it'd be Linda Goodman's Sun Signs. It helped me understand that, deep down, each person is chasing after a certain concept, and it shows in every part of their life. Not everybody will be a perfect fit for their sign, and there's room for variation in the way that they manifest these signs, but when these archetypes are present they're remarkably consistent.

  • Aries wants the truth
  • Taurus wants dominion
  • Gemini wants freedom
  • Cancer wants security
  • Leo wants authority
  • Virgo wants perfection
  • Libra wants harmony
  • Scorpio wants satisfaction
  • Sagittarius wants adventure
  • Capricorn wants achievement
  • Aquarius wants the future
  • Pisces wants completeness

To give you some comic-book examples, Tony Stark and Lex Luthor are both Cancerians, which means both of them are concerned with feeling safe.

  • Their love for security has a way of biting them in the ass. Luthor's kryptonite ring gave him cancer, while Stark has been known to retreat inside a bottle.

  • They both have business empires, because money provides security from many things. They're both well-informed, because information is another form of security.

  • They both prefer to take the indirect approach, much the way a crab scuttles sideways. Luthor prefers to send super-powered pawns against Superman, and while Stark is more confrontational he still prefers to blast things from a distance, or else send drones. Both wear armor when they personally join the fight.

  • Their paranoia and need for control causes them a lot of problems. Luthor is in the supervillain business because he feels threatened by Superman. Stark jealously guards his technology, to the point that it's worth entire story arcs. Both will share their tech on a limited basis but they'll be sure to include built-in weaknesses.

People around you. The first and only character writing resource you'll ever need. If you can learn from them, you'll never need any book. If you can't, no book will ever help you.

I've used an RPG character sheet that I changed and I've looked up different character sheets to see what kinds of questions other writers find helpful.
One question I really liked was "What do they carry in their pockets."

I've never liked horoscopes, but this is a really great way of viewing characters. I will look up that book, thank you!

That's a really awesome comparison of two seemly very different characters from competing publishers. It doesn't feed into their goals, but they both come from wealthy families and have issues with their fathers. I thought Stark was searching for acceptance/love, but both of those needs feed into the goal of security.
The indirect approach can also be seen in how Stark talks (at least in the movies, maybe not as much in the comics) his sarcasm acts to put off others, keeping them from getting too close or their barbs from hurting. Or at least hide the hurt.

I've got a whole set.

  • Aries: Captain America / The Joker
  • Taurus: Superman / The Kingpin
  • Gemini: The Flash / Bullseye
  • Cancer: Iron Man / Lex Luthor
  • Leo: Johnny Storm / Doctor Doom
  • Virgo: Batman / The Riddler
  • Libra: Professor X / Harley Quinn
  • Scorpio: The Hulk / Elektra
  • Sagittarius: Hank McCoy / Catwoman
  • Capricorn: The Punisher / Magneto
  • Aquarius: Spider-Man / Mysterio
  • Pisces: Daredevil / Ra's Al Ghul

Did you make this list yourself? How much is it based off of the comics, and do new/old versions throw it off or are the character core traits stay consistent enough that these lines ups stay the same?

I think Batman and the Riddler being understood as Virgos is my favorite. But Batman is my favorite super hero and I always liked the Riddler (from Batman the animated series 1990's) I find him a far more interesting and enjoyable villain than the Joker. (although Mark Hammil voicing the Joker is my favorite version of the character.)

I don't see the Joker as an Aries, I'll need to see your argument for that one.

Oh, I like that one. I'll have to remember it.

Your mentioning of RPGs reminded me of something else. I play Dungeons and Dragons, and I'll fill out character sheets and play as the characters from my novels when we do one-offs. It's great for getting a feel for the character's spontaneity. And it's fun!

I did. I was at least two kinds of nerd when I made the connection.

I'm not up-to-date on the latest developments but as long as the characters aren't completely unrecognizable these should still be good.

The thing about Virgos is they want everything to be just right, and it starts from a young age. Virgos are the type to have problems pooping anywhere but at home. They hold it in, health warnings be damned, and from this they learn to ignore their bodily complaints. They learn to push themselves to the limit. Pain, fatigue, or emotional turmoil? A Virgo will clamp down on those things without thinking. That has its good points and its bad points. On one hand, Batman is the definition of heroic willpower. On the other hand, he's got no work-life balance at all.

Batman forever chases after perfection. His perfect childhood was shattered when his parents died, so he pursues a vision of a Gotham without crime. A perfect Gotham, in other words. He's trained himself to the peak of physical and mental ability and he trains others toward the same perfection. He's crazy-prepared because he wants his fights to go perfectly and he's hard on his relationships because he holds everybody to his own unrealistic standards.

The Riddler isn't quite as extreme, but he also displays the Virgo traits of intellectualism (because nothing can be perfect in ignorance) and constant testing. Remember, the symbol of Virgo is that of a virginal woman who separates the wheat from the chaff. You can find Virgos everywhere searching after purity, or at least the best of its kind. The Riddler searches for his intellectual equal: Batman searches for people he can trust.

Both Captain America and the Joker serve the truth, or at least what they think is the truth. Cap's idea of it is tied in with Justice and the American Way, so of course he's a patriotic hero. He charges straight into battle, because anything less is somehow dishonest, and he has complete confidence in his cause. After all, who can deny the truth? Who can stop the truth? There's not a lot of self-doubt to Aries types. It's probably why they look so young and behave so outrageously.

Joker, meanwhile, serves darker truths: Anyone can become like him if they have just one bad day. The world is absurd, and the idea of a man in a mask (a man in a mask!) fighting crime is simply laughable. The truth is that Batman is a criminal like everyone in his rogues gallery. He has that pesky no-kill rule, but really, how can anyone expect justice from a man who doesn't show his face?

The Joker would very much like Batman to kill him. It would show the Dark Knight for what he really is: a brute, a bully, a man who believes that might makes right.

I found it on Amazon and was debating about buying it now or seeing if I could find it at the library first.

It should have said "thanks for the link because..." Sometimes I forget to write everything I'm thinking.

Thank you for the link!

You're welcome. I thought you just didn't see my post XD. It seems an outdated version though it should have similar if not the same information. The cover looked different from what Joe showed.

Shouldn't be a problem. This is old, old knowledge. :slight_smile:

EDIT: From the cover, it looks like the same edition as my copy.