So basically what I've gathered from this is that Tapas has a good community and interface, but poor visibility and stagnation problems whereas Webtoons has good visibility but a relatively toxic and picky community? Is that the case? Because I was planning on when I launch DRGN, I'd do page updates on Tapas and then release the full chapters as a whole on Webtoons, is that a good idea?
Well as a person who's been using both sites (tapas first before webtoons) here are there pros and cons for me:
Tapastic;
pros:
more personal engagement with readers (you can go visit/message and post on their page)
use of hyperlinks on mobile version
more file choices for comic upload (png, gif etc)
addition of music to your comics
very creator friendly
tipping
ad revenue
scheduled updates
cons:
very difficult to get viewership/subs due to small audience
reader engagement is on the lower side
webtoons:
pros:
gain following pretty quickly due to larger audience
more active reader engagement
Webtoon X patreon program
ability to label your series as 2 different genres vs one
ability to become a featured artist
cons:
very competitive and can get discouraging at times (Ex: the infamous rating system)
little ability to personally engage with readers
little to no revenue unless you are qualified for the webtoon patreon program (which they have raised the bottomline criteria for qualification
very narrow and strict upload format for comics (must be jpg, no larger than 800X1200 pixels, 20 mb limit)
So both of these sites have their pros and cons but it's really what you're searching for. If you are a new creator and want to test the waters and get some constructive feedback and don't mind the small popularity growth, I would recommend Tapas.
If you're a bit more daring/have some experience and want the opportunity to be featured and have thicker skin, then Line webtoons would be a good option. Of course, you can choose to post on both sites and there is nothing to stop you from doing that so that is an option to if you want to try both
If only we will have the
Creator Friendliness of Tapas
and the Large Audience of Webtoons,
then we will have a site that is Heaven for Comic creators! Am I right?
Since I've seen many people comparing the views and Subs they get between Tapas and Line, I'd just like to point out that Line is still massive compared to Tapas and 7 years older than it too.
Lines audience base is 17mil while Tapas (according to a newsfeed article from July this year) is 2mil.
Tapas began as a start-up in 2012, and it only has 24 people on staff (info from aforementioned newsfeed article). Meanwhile Line began in 2012 and is sponsored by Naver for all of its costs from the get go (if you were wondering how the contracted comics can still be free while they pay the creators).
That said, I post here on Tapas and not on Line for the following reasons (please note I am biased to and protective of Tapas and I acknowledge that):
Tapas has a more creator friendly environment and that is vital for the future because we need a shift in how people think of and treat creators who are professionals in their field and not just making comics for a hobby.
Tapas site is easier to use and more aesthetically pleasing to me.
I do not agree with the concept of rating free comics like on Line. It falls prey to ill will and honestly if you want to know if a comic's story is decent you just have to see the sub count and read the first 2-3 uploads.
The only comics rated on Tapas are the ones you pay for which is totally fair cause if you pay to read its reasonable to want a good story and it serves as true feedback from peeps who have paid just like reviews for print books and movies.Tapas has a more LGBT and mature friendly stance.
(personal) My primary goal is not to rack up views and subs and eyeballs on the comics I make. I want a lifelong career in this field and Tapas is more appealing in how they're willing to form that relationship. My information is lacking here: I do not know what the relationship is like under contract with Line so if anyone can enlighten me that would be great.
(personal) In aggregate, from my personal experience and research and tendency to side with the underdog, I firmly believe that given another five years when Tapas gets to ten years old, we'll be able to see major shifts in what it means to support good webcomic stories and their Creators+Publisher.
In contrast, I have a hypothesis that once Line gets big enough to corner the market in the West, they will reach a saturation point and need to make income from the comics themselves rather than rely on Naver. This will involve having to pay to read like Tapas already has in Premium.
It's for these reason I believe Tapas has a stronger potential in the future as they help creators and help readers realize the importance to treating good stories like the quality products they are and not learning to expect things on the Internet to always be free.
Can they do better promoting the free stuff, Yeah. But like everything its a process and I personally can't stay wary and cautious all the time.
I need to put my trust in something to help my career along and right now my gut is going with Tapas.
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That exact thing happened to my old comic on Webtoons! I wasn't posting as often as they wanted so they started giving me very low star ratings, eventually it brought me down to a 7 out of 10. It was scary. The readers on Webtoons are so entitled sometimes, they see you as a means for content instead of a person just like them.
The readers on Tapas are so patient and caring on the other hand. It feels like both readers and authors are on the same page and treat each other with respect.
Also, just my opinion as a reader on webtoons pls don't hate me --- when I see creators posting really small chapters, I feel like they're cheating the system because people would be able to give you more likes for less content and the view count, am pretty sure, adds views on every 'chapter' up so it could also be higher for less content too. So even if I do end up reading, I only like maybe every few chapters (but I'm not really a commenter) o.o
Plus, esp for people who do one page per 'chap' + credits and social media links it's really annoying for me to keep having to click the next button to see the next page. And it just starts to feel like they're over-advertising themselves. I also used to have a really low bandwidth so I would prefer not to keep using it up to load credit pages lol so I just generally don't read webtoons on canvas ngl.
I am planning to become a creator and I won't have double standards dw lol, I just know the pains of a reader. I'll probably try my best to post as close to the upload limit as possible or at least 20 panels. (I think the cap for each chap on Canvas is 20mb? if I understand correctly, and 2mb for each image of max 200x1280) I want to post as png and I think my coloring style will be pretty complex too so I still don't know how long I can do before i reach that cap...
Well , if you are a reader You might find that short updates are annoying but in reality if you are a creator, Tbh,
especially in webtoons, if you upload your entire chapter in one go, it's hard for the comic to get noticed.
They're not really cheating the system , it's a " How to survive in webtoons to get notice" something like that,
and there's no specific rule in webtoons that you have to upload a long chapter.
well the comic is free to read so , I don't see any problem with clicking the next button for the next page , there's nothing wrong in putting credits/social media in the comic if they want to advertise themselves then no problem with that. it might feel like they are over advertising themselves, but in reality they need to, because they need to get known.
A piece of advice. if you know the pains of a reader, you must know the pains of the creator,
Anyway don't hate me, this is just my opinion and experience .
I don't mean they should try to be like over 60 panels long. Just reasonably long. I mean if they want to upload pages, even 2 pages per 'chap' would mean half the number of times the credit page needs to be loaded.
hmm ig I'll try to set mine around 20 panels/chap and see what happens. aand it's not that I don't understand the pains of a creator--I probably draw slower than the average person and I know it'll likely take me at the very least 4 hours for every panel. I would just personally prefer to set my bar high and see how far I can go, instead of hoping for instant returns.
Not forcing it on anyone though, just my plans and my thoughts so far.
I wasn't the one who revived it from 2 years ago >~>
it was 4 months
oh yes I understand what you meant, I'm just giving a opinion about the short update,
although I could consider unreasonably short if the update is like 1-2 panels, and yeah I think that's unreasonably short.
ohh 20 panels is a good count, Good luck on your comic! anyway it's up to creator what to decided on his/her comic,
it's your comic your rules. as long as you don't get burn out and always keep motivated.
I have my comic on both, HOWEVER.... I have gotten into a subtle tiff with Line's trust and safety division about nudity. GO FIGURE. Like my comic I have a rebellious side, and I still post the episode on webtoons but with a fun picture that says " unfortunately I can't post this episode please visit my tapas page. Ect ect."
I have had a few follow over. I'm not here for followers (don't get me wrong it's nice to have that notification) but I just want to have my story heard.
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