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That stuff I can see, but on other's episodes and my own, there is no Ink Support banner to appear or Ink icon like there used to be on the individual episodes.
Of note by that "Description" page you linked @joannekwan the banner listed there is not the Ink Support banner. that banner is the general artist banner that links to whatever exterior page you have set up.
The current set-up has literally made it harder for me to give ink to people I enjoy, or to receive ink, and there's no way they can see the banner. (As you can see, that banner pictured is not the one I uploaded to the Ink Support page so it literally is. not. visible.)

Gotcha. Yeah it would be nice if they put in a support button, say next to or under the like button on an episode to make it easier for people.
By the way, where did the support image show up before the site revamp? I don't recall ever seeing anyone's.

I feel like this isn’t what “popular” should be though. Popular should be about the raw numbers, where something like “Rising” or “Hot” are better elsewhere.

Gonna be honest, I’m one of the creators who got absolutely buried this month. I’ve been side-eyeing hard because my money is on the line here and I’ve seen hits/subs/etc plummet along with Patreon as well.

I’m really unhappy. I loved Tapas because hard work was rewarded by the site. Now it doesn’t matter if I update or not - my works don’t really change their reach at all. Growth has stagnated completely for me.

Very much this ^

But also, I'd like to add this:

Now is NOT the time to mess with algorithms. As of right now I am still doing fine because I still gain new patrons at a rate that is similar to the loss rate, so at least I keep my earnings in sortof the same place. This probably would not be the case if Tapas started cycling algorithms. In that case, I would need to rely on webtoon more. You really don't want to push your main earners to that point!

Also another point I forgot to add earlier: besides people expecting a certain thing when they look through the popular section, it also serves an important purpose for the site. Popular series are free marketing for you. It's how you gain new users through word of mouth. When someone is recommended a comic/novel (or several) and they are completely new to the site, it can be hard for them to navigate. But if it's as simple as "just check the popular section, you can usually find most of them there" you move the learning curve from being right away with no instant reward, to instant reward with a gradual learning curve. Only after the average reader has passed that learning curve will they begin to look for more niche, lesser known content.

Popular is a marketing tool and your "first level", so to speak. If you skip the first level and throw your users straight into boss fight, most of them will just give up and use another site :confused: we live in a digital age, you need to make it easier to say "yes" than "no", or there will be a million other entertainment alternatives for them to turn to.

Now wait what you just shown is people reacting to the >pandemic< not the algorithm. This is why I keep telling people we need to wait sevral weeks before we can determine anything is better or worse and due to the pandemic it’s going to take much longer to understand if these new algorithms are better.

People are trying to stay connected right now and feel like the world isn’t falling apart around them. I’m sorry to say this but that means luxury items like comics and other art pieces are gonna get hurt pretty bad along with every other business that’s Gonna be in the red by the time this is over.

EVERYONE is hurting from the pandemic not just comics. We really need to chill and let things get better before we can even start asking about algorithms.

You're missing my point. I'm not saying the financial loss I showed is Tapas' fault.

What I am saying is that messing with the algorithm during the pandemic will make an already unstable situation worse.

My point was: Right now, I am just barely getting out of this without a major drop in finances. If Tapas messes up the algorithm of popular, they are gambling with mine and a lot of other creators' livelihoods in a time that is already putting a lot of strain on us.

No I don’t really see your point, this choice was made by someone on the high end of things and right now the Tapas Team is working over time during A pandemic just to fix all the bugs. Right now with the lack of veiwership that will be happening I’m much more concerned that tapas focuses on fixing bugs then trying to change an algorithm that we >cannot< say is or is not working right now cause it’s has not been long enough to know and their is a pendemic happening.

I think you are missing the entire point here because Michael was not talking about a current algorithm, but a potential plan of cycling algorithms within a single section. We are not telling them to fix the current one while they are still working overtime, we are begging them not to mess it up further to begin with.

I still don’t know how they would be “messing it up more” since again we don’t have any real data that things are better or worse but yes I agree that the algorithms are the least of their concern over fixes.

I think you're not realising that a fair few larger creators are getting together and comparing details because they're worried - rightly so. A fair few have been whispering to each other to see if it's 'just them' or if it was the Tapas redesign, or if it's COVID. The thing is - if it's COVID - those same creators can compare it to their data on other sites and see if it holds up. If it only holds up here - as it is increasingly showing to be the case - then Tapas needs to move fast. The last thing that Tapas wants is for their larger creators to be forced to leave, whether they want to or not, in order to make money. Especially as many of those creators are going to be relying on that money more than ever due to COVID.

What other comic sites do you really have to compare to besides webtoons which is known to have a completely different audience then taps?

If your checking these numbers with places like YouTube that’s a horrifying idea because more people will be prone to be watching streams and catching up on videos in hopes of feeling more connected to other humans right now.

You say everyone’s data matches but there’s plenty of creators I’ve talk to who’s numbers have gone up in comparison/not changed what so ever.

My problem is everyone is freaking out about an algorithm that can’t truly be known how it’s effecting the sight cause lots of people are dealing with a global pendemic. It just feels a >tiny< bit unfair to the staff

I'm a novelist - so I'm comparing to Wattpad and Radish (I'm in both of their invite only programmes). So I can compare - yes - quite well.

Well I honestly can’t say anything about novles as that’s not my tea, but It’s always been known that tapas isn’t great with its novles so I can’t do much but agree with you there. It’s very possible that since tapas now looks so much like a Webtoon clone people aren’t expecting to find actual novles here anymore? I honestly couldn’t say.

My consern is more for all the comic people freaking out when there’s no real way to check stats For some time as the only other site we have is Webtoon which has more younger audience and isn’t gonna help mature comics try to compare and contrast so early in the change and so late into this pendemic

It's not that. It's the way novels are displayed (very very few at the top of the page - almost half the screen is a menu on the novels side) and then the algorithm essentially pushing things... interestingly.

Has that been reported yet? Sounds like a glitch

No this is a clear design choice. Literally one novel and three featured novels appear when you click on the novels page - you have to scroll down to see more. It means that essentially the top spot gets a load of real estate, but if you're anywhere below the top 5 or so, you may as well be on infinite scroll.

Ohhhhh yeah that. I noticed that but honestly I feel like I’m not the person to give input on it. I rarely read novles, however if I’m to be compleatky honest with you I actually much prefer it because the summery is front and center for me to see (unlike I’m comics where it’s hidden) so I can actually read summaries and decided on if I’d be interested in the story before I even click on it and have to read through sevral pages ( or guess if I’ll like it based on the pretty cover)

But I can understand why it upsets you

That's still a pretty awful design choice as it basically limits advertising to VERY few spots - and also makes people scroll a lot to see anything. This hasn't been a popular decision on other novel reading websites either who moved towards this kind of system and algorithm and failed quite spectacularly with it.

It would be better if people had a space to put a log-line in and included less white space. The title being clickable isn't needed (it should be on the cover), so essentially genre and log-line is all that's needed. Also number of likes is misleading - number of subs is a far better counter of quality as it shows how many individuals have subscribed rather than how long something is, but I digress.