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May 2017

About two years ago when I first started browsing these forums I remember you being fairly active here so I checked out your comic and gave it a full read-through. Admittedly it is very (detailed)sex-heavy (it definitely sells itself as an erotica comic) and I was surprised that it got away without censors. I also remember there were some grumblings from people on the forums about the type of questionable content that was on Tap at the time and I feel like they were inadvertently talking about your series (and maybe others like yours? I don't really remember any other titles. And this was before the whole BL hot-button-issue).

So not to be a shaming-shelley but I can see why Tap took down the episodes without a window for you to censor them first. They probably just launched the app with everything available to the mobile public to see and you got some reports so it was easier to pull everything than have it remain there for an indeterminate amount of time as you got to censoring. It was very nice of them to keep the series active though. I'm sure on other sites coughSJcough they would have just deleted the whole thing entirely.

And on a side-note, I actually found your comic entertaining even though furries aren't really my thing. I liked reading about Milly's life. So don't be discouraged about the audience here on Tap, furs and erotica aren't everyone's cup of tea.

I unsubbed to some one who deleted all their pages just so that they could reupload them with better art. But the thing was, the original art wasn't that bad. So the whole thing sort of felt pointless and I would have preferred if they just continued making new stuff. And also, if you have a large following, people are not going to be happy with you just deleting everything...like why not just make a separate series.

Haha yeah I was very active, Tapastic has a great community :^) Though after recieving that email I kinda went cold turkey and focused on the comic and hosted it off my main site, plus the onslaught of contractual work of everyday life. I pushed the idea of censoring images here a little later about a year later! wink

I totally respect Tapastic for doing what they did and the Content manager was helpful in terms of trying to negotiate what can work for this site ie me slapping on some censor images. But I agree losing the series would have been a kick in the teeth.

Glad you find the comic entertaining, though its gonna be tricky given the story is revolved around the porn industry, but will find ways to separate the lewd stuff from the story so the censoring is graceful and doesn't ruin the flow smile

Though trying to tap into a nonfur market by trying not to make this too furry orientated, I havent dug into making other characters to make them look more animistic yet.

This whole thread is fascinating!

For me, I unsubscribe under 3 circumstances:

  1. I impulse subscribed because it looked interesting, then realized as I read it that it wasn't my thing.
  2. Story does something very offensive all of a sudden (it has to be a pretty big blunder) or, conversely, gets wayyy too preachy.
  3. the artist themselves becomes offensive/rude or, conversely, gets preachy

My guess is that most of your mystery unsubscribers are #1 on my list. It just happens, a lot of us browse to find new series and if we find something that looks cool, we'll subscribe without reading it, so that we can read it later. I wouldn't sweat a few unfollows here or there, I try to not look at my follower count more than 2x a week because of this. That way I never notice it doing anything but going up! If I check daily I can see it drop one, gain one, drop one, on and on.

13 days later

Fastest way to lose subs : Decided that something didn't fit your feelings as creator, didn't even wait a day to tell your subscriber that you are leaving a website and just removed all the contents. Not even saying any good bye. So basically, being a douche bag.

You might makes a 'free content' and heck I know it's hard making a comic and it's your content you can do as you please. But treating your reader like they mean nothing at all and just removing all the content without even making a proper announcement... I mean is it that hard to just post a white square box with black text 'Sorry, stuff happens and I have to leave Tapas so please continue supporting me here [link]' and just wait like at least 24 hours?.

Heck man, I might continue supporting you by bookmark the link and visit once in a while just to binge reading and commenting if only you do something like that. If only.

Now all I see is a bunch of so called 'I make comic for free! I can f***ing leaving this f***ing website anytime I want and you have to follow me on my new website if you want to continue reading my so called great free content!'

Yeah, long live premium content. No wonder they are premium, they are professional and worth the money. No way the author are gonna act like a douche bag and removing their content just because they feels like it.

I am sorry for using this thread to rant. I just want to point that even if you make a 'free content' with all your resources, doesn't mean that you can act like a kid. You make something and people enjoy it : they subscribing to it, commenting on it, tipping you when they have a coins and you can't just follow your heart when something didn't fit your heart and just... POOF!

What are you, ninja? Lol.

From what I've seen on comics and Bad Webcomics, there's a few basic things:

Update your comic regularly, and be transparent with your readers if there's going to be a delay/hiatus.

The other is simple, don't act like a dick to your readers in the comment section. XD

From a reader perspective, the fastest way to lose me is to pretty much never update and when you do update, it's either A. tipping or B. filler content (I've seen so many Q/A's that I automatically skip them these days).

I usually unsub when I get bored with a terribly slow moving story. You can update once or twice a week, but if the plot is at a glacial pace, I'm out.

I'm the kind of reader that doesn't unsubscribe even if the comic never updates. UNLESS the storyline sucks and if it's a slice of life, it needs to be entertaining.

When the line story suddenly goes with characters that give nothing at all to the major plot and they got all sexy and wtf I did not subscribe to this XD
Im really thinking about unsubcribing to a series because of this, I do like the art, the story but this is so weird and awkward .-.

Haha, is it weird that I recognize your profile pic? I don't remember the name of it, but I know exactly which comic you draw (just because I remember seeing it reviewed by WintreKitty). Yeah, it's super sexual lol Still weird though that they outright removed them without any kind of warning email, but I mean, it's technically pornography, but in the same way that Requiem for a Dream is technically encouraging drug use. Know what I mean? (if you don't I can elaborate further lol) Like your comic was about someone literally in the porn business, but it had deeper sub-context to it, including the characters' struggle in the business. As Joanne said, as a site that now has an app they have to keep at a certain rating or be taken down, it was probably a knee-jerk reaction, considering even the plot of the story revolves heavily around porn, aside from the ACTUAL sexual scenes.

I think things that are new or unexpected cause me to lose subs the most. My comic4 just introduced totally new sci-fi based characters that we've never seen or concentrated on before, and a good deal of the next scene has to do with them - I think readers can be taken surprise by this sort of thing and I think, in my case, it worked against me - but this is an important part of the plot, so it's good that these readers leave now if they don't want to see more of this kind of thing.

Do you mean that it suddenly introduced new sci-fi characters, or do you mean that it suddenly introduced a new sci-fi element that didn't previously exist? Because if you take a story that has an established plot with no evidence of sci-fi and then bring SF in at random it's going to reasonably throw people off. It's like Deus ex Machina TO THE EXTREME!

Haha, well it had some evidence of sci-fi but didn't get heavy on it until this chapter. The plot was certainly established, and I planned on having these characters from the beginning, but it may certainly have been "random" in some peoples' eyes. The end of the prologue introduced the first sci-fi elements, and then the mid-end of chapter 1 pushed it into a territory that we actually concentrate on.

The comic was originally classified as sci-fi, but since the heavier sci-fi elements didn't appear until later pages, I reclassified it - so, again, people may not have expected it.

In a classic sense, there may have been a better way to do it--unfortunately, I wanted an air of normalcy to exist before introducing the stranger and/or darker parts of the story. And, being that the story is (somewhat??) slow-paced, it took longer to get to these parts.

Yeah, I understand that. There are so many limitations when we have to publish at a slower pace.

a lot of the time people like to say its not updating but being mean to your subscribers or fans at cons or online is on the top of my list for sure

Oooh! Let's list some ways!

-Turn a character into a ranting mouthpiece for your opinions. Make sure that character is always unquestionably right.
-Make an obvious self-insert and suddenly have everything revolve around them.
-Start random flame wars on social media for no reason.
-Respond poorly to criticism.
-Hold pages for ransom.
-Drop important arcs and plotlines for filler.
-Go into hiatus and never come out.
-Kill off a fan favorite character in a pathetic and pointless way.
-Insult your fans.
-Make promises on Patreon, never keep them, but still take money from your fans.

That's about everything I can think of.

I tend to unsubscribe/stop following comics when there's big, nasty drama involving the author or if the comic starts going in a very different direction that I'm not a fan of. I do also occasionally subscribe on impulse and then later realise it wasn't my thing.

Agreeing with what others have said about daily snack, if the comic has a sudden spike in subscribers following being featured, it's almost certain that it will decrease a little bit afterwards as people figure out if they're interested. A slow-moving plot will also probably lead to a couple people unsubscribing. I'm guilty of this in my comic3 as I'm only able to upload one page a week right now, and I haven't moved it along as quickly as I'd like. :sweat_smile:

1 month later

haha oops! yeah - that response was to a different topic and blindly responded to it here :wink: