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Aug 2023

I've looked at how my brother and two sisters have graduated university. My siblings are well qualified for good paying jobs and yet they don't have that much money.

It's like society doesn't guarantee a job to you even if you are well qualified.

Come to think of it, something can happen at any moment to set you back, just like how my brother was told that he will be let go from his job because the company is having some difficulty.

Is it that success can always be achieved by hard work but you have to be consistent even when things get rocky? .....Or is it that it just depends on how the economy is doing? ......Or is it just a matter of having good luck sometimes?

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I shall be incredibly blunt. No. Hard work does not always guarantee success. Speaking from experience, if you want success, you need to be pragmatic, careful and things like that.

Hard work is a great start then you have to max out your luck RNG skill which is hard, most ppl roll a D5 trying to roll a D20 is nearly impossible, Thankfully the more friends you have your luck skill can be upgraded thanks to nepotism and other who you know strategies

Hard work doesn't guarantee success, but not working hard guarantees failure.

Depends largely on how you define "Success".

My husband is a nurse and I am the lead mechanic at a Euro specialty shop. We are solidly upper middle class. We have a modest home, two fairly new vehicles, a cottage, and an off-road vehicle. We aren't rich, but we've worked hard and we are comfortable. I would call that success.

I remember the old saying: ideas don't bring success, only small success is a start of bringing more success.

To do anything in life requires work and effort.

But thinking you deserve more because you worked harder, that is not always guaranteed. I know it's not fair but I think a part of it is also not being entitled. A lot of people put in the effort to graduate from university and want the same job. In the eyes on the employer, they don't care if you believe you put more effort than other people. Sometimes they might pick whoever is giving them the best "vibes" that day. I guess it's best not to take that sort of stuff too personally.

No, it doesn't. Just as much Luck or contacts alone doesn't guarantee success either.
As well, success varies in definition to one person or another.

I'm very crude in this mentality, but if you're not achieving something then there is something that:
A- You're not doing
B- You're doing wrong or investing energy in the wrong thing
C- You're Ignoring, be it other circumstances and limitations you currently have, resources or tools you either lack or don't know how to properly exploit

To me a person can have either skill, knowledge, contacts, luck and yet stuff can fail, because you need to keep those aspects balanced, while at the same time being analytic of other things. Planning different approaches and scenarios, being consistent, being creative to solve problems be it long or short term, having charisma and other many things also contribute to success.

You cannot rely on Society or graduating from a specific establishment to "guarantee you" a job.

According to who you are well qualified for a job? Your own judgement? The sentimentalism from a family member?
Anything can happen, yet is your own responsability to have a plan A, B, C and even D. A person working in a dependency relationship should be aware of the current situation, and then either save money, have other job offers at hand to apply the second your boss may fire you, knowing your rights in case of a dismissal without just cause, or lack of proper input on the papers at the moment of being fired.

Relying on luck is like relying on the lottery to either achieve success or living according to a certain standard.
The economy is going to be and deal with its own struggles, yet there is people still with jobs, still living the way they want despite of it. So do they really depend on how the Economy is doing? Some people don't and they arent' rich.

I'm from Argentina, we're well known for having one of the shittiest economies ever, economists, people from other countries and not even ourselves know how the country keeps standing, you're going to find people who struggle to achieve their concept of success, others that have achieved it and several other situations too.

My generation got fooled with the "study/work hard to get a better payng job or whatever" and now we all struggle in finding payed jobs that can sustain us.
I think it depends on how the economy is going: when I graduated from high school the 2008 economic crisis started to have its effect in Italy: factories were closing down, there were fewer jobs to apply to and you had to settle with what you could find.

Not only is getting what you want not ever guaranteed, effort alone doesn't make something good or worthwhile. When I was little, my friend showed me the ms paint animation called Crystal Tokyo Mew. She was adamant that because it took so much work, it was good, but that didn't stop me from doubling over because I was laughing so hard.

I think the real question to think about is: 'What is your definition of success?

Not your family's, not your friend's or anyone else.

How do you personally define what success is at this stage of your life? Because that is always changing as you continue to grow as a person.

The only constants in life are change, death and taxes.

You adapt to change. You deal and accept death. And you just have to put up with taxes, its just one of life's inevitabilities. One path that you set out on can end up leading you places that you never thought of before, whether its for the positive or negative is for how you react to it.

I've always loved art, but too many people in my life while I was growing up would see it as an unsuccessful career path and goals, so I stopped for a long time with projects that I enjoyed.

I ended up to college for Environmental Science (which I loved) and ended up in education as a teacher, and then into social work for adults with ASD. It wasn't the path I originally wanted, but I love my job. I get to help people be the best versions of themselves and spend my time with some of the nicest people in the world. And at the end of the day, I get to come home and paint art and draw funny dragons with annoying birds!

Every step had skills I gained from experience, you just have to have the perspective to continue forward from where you thought you'd be to new and different life paths.

It might not seem like much, but for the first time in a very long time, I'm happy with myself.

That's what success is to me.

No

I heard a lot more recently "it's who you know" that really matters, and yeah it is...

For a brief example; this year in particular I was forced to work out in the sun to help in a garden (of which there's nothing in it that I actually like to eat) until I became dehydrated enough not to even be able to sweat.

There's probably more rewards than what I can think of, but I got: to eat food, my mother sometimes pitied me and got me water when she caught me outside, I ate a few peppers from the garden but they tasted like sponge and I wasn't treated any worse than I already was because I was out there.

It's bot the hardest work, but there's been those who suffered worse than me and got treated much worse. I would agree with the phrase "Hard work builds character"
But the people I know can only fake it for so long, and don't seem all that happy at all. No.. It's not hard work that pays off..

(If anyone read this way top long comment) I recently heard though that AT VERY LEAST; learning extra skills would be the only raw thing you could use because then you could make lazy people pay you for them. But a.i. is a very evil thing now.... Hard work was probably rewarded at some point, but I don't know anyone who was.. It's mostly just settling, not actually having success in anything...

LAST SENTENCE I PROMISE YOU ALL! Not even "successful people are happy after all the hard work they did to get so far, there's way too many examples I could go from my own life to reading any random news feed thing!

Hard work has no guarantee; and I know why, but that could actually be a novel in and of itself

Depends on how you define success. Hard work can't always get you what you want but it certainly helps.

Intelligence, social skills, work ethic and luck = success
but it´s not guaranteed, nothing is guaranteed but this will give you
the best chances.

Not always but you'll definitely at least be better off than where you started with hard work

Did you know the creator of One Piece slept for 4 hours for 20 years now and he still keeps going with the schedule? Yes, hard work does pay off.

I'd call that success, too. But the meaning of success to a person kinda depends on what they were trying to achieve.

Saying it does, kinda implies a rule. More correctly, I think, would be to say "hard work can pay off" because there are no guarantees in life.