I'm not sure if I'm just reading this wrong since it's the internet and we can perceive things differently - but your arguments come off as a bit condescending and unappreciative of artists imo.

As someone who does both the story AND the art on my solo project like many others on the forums - I personally found the 70:30 mentioned understandable, and the 60:40 a good deal.

This person has come with their offer and clear view of the sort of project they want to do - and you argue why not do a shorter series simply because you're allowed, and that their goal is similar to their official lenzin comics? But the aim for the contest i to win and become an official lenzin work? So with this in mind, that's an understandable goal to challenge and take the competition seriously.
(not to say shorter series cant, it just seems like it might appeal more to lenzin this way.)
And calling their plans "unrealistic" and a "far off dream" is something I don't think you have the right to argue. You don't know their schedule/ability/speed of workflow. And even if you did find this might be a bit concerning since this is a collab - your wording isn't the kindest to put it simply.

They never said they expected you to. They're merely explaining all the different aspects an artist must do in performing their part of the collab. These all takes lots of time and work. Writing does too, I understand that. But the art aspect simply has much more compacted into it in my (and seeing as I've seen others where the artist typically has the larger ratio - others) opinion.

My issue here is that, yeah you can give the general idea- but the artist is still expected to create something from your descriptions. You can describe "their hair is brown, the have sky blue eyes, etc" and different artists can create many different characters from these ideas. The responsibility of a good color palette will also fall on the artist here. There are TONS of variations of colors and how they work together with each other. It would again fall to the artist to make this work. This is part of what I mean by you seem to under appreciate the work an artist must do.

Idk, this has nothing to do with me but after reading your comment it really rubbed me the wrong way so there's my 2 cents. I'm not sure why you argued so adamantly on this when it is clear the two of you share very different views and a collab probably won't be possible between you both.

I do not have any 'historical'. I do have one fantasy swords and sorcery land story that is royalty and female character based "Those That Watch Over Dreams"

Those That Watch Over Dreams1

Right - my writer may come up with the "skeleton" of the design based on setting, personality and profession. I still decide 90% of the rest of it. Sometimes he might give me a colour scheme he wants that I'd have to change in a large part because it simply won't work aesthetically (aesthetically means logically too - a lot of things such as room interiors mix design with practicality. One such example was making a floor plan for a hotel room that was supposed to be luxurious - but it was a standard box shape. "Luxury" gets communicated through a less standard design, for one. Colour palettes are still subjected to practicality, too.)

He holds off on a lot of descriptions (makes novel based script) until I give him my finalized designs. In a large part, it's problem solving. "Ok, writer wants this general idea. Now I gotta take it and make it both work but look good."

I don't mean to bandwagon or anything, it's just a common sub-topic I see pop up in threads like these. You gotta trust artists to wield their expertise on your designs. We're tryna make your stuff even better, I promise.

I apologize for the very late reply, i can't log to my account and just got it back these few days and scrolling my notifications.

Well, i'm not, not appreciating artist.
But not like i can do anything if that's how you perceive lt.

And the reason why i argue adamantly because lt felt like writers are the one who get less appreciated here. And so that's my 2 cents.
I'm sick of people putting artists higher than writers. Like huh? How funny, writers have
it just as hard.

I seriously do not agree why 50-50 is not fair, and 70-30 is the fair one. That exactly the reason why it feel less appreciated, if you still don't get it.
We can argue all years long that you think artists have it harder while i argue writers have it not harder simply JUST AS hard.
So let's just agree to disagree.

That being said, you said artists still have to choose color palletes, there are a lot of different shades.
Of course there are, but color palletes are a part of artists drawing style. So like, if the character have blue eyes, then just give it blue eyes of course. What blue shade is blue for you on your drawing style, that's to use.
And it's not like writers can't download drawing app pick a color and telling the exact code lol.
In short, i don't think it make it harder for artists.
I don't understand why you make it sound like something hard, it's like you say writers have to pick stories to cover loopholes.
I do not say it's easy, since it's not. But it's just supposedly part of their skill as that role, i mean what can i do if you don't know which blue to pick when i think all blue are fine since it's still blue, and what can you do when there's this unexpected loophole on the story, that's for us to deal with since it's our role (tell me long stories without even 1 loophole).

And you also said i don't have the right to said they can't do it? Why though lol, that's seriously what i think, why can't i say that? Also what i said isn't necesarrily a fact unless it is, just like yours. Why you can say what you think while i don't?
And seriously this person want 70 panels "COLLAB", meant they're waiting, for that collab partner.
Unless you're superhuman the odds are seriously against it I don't undersand why you don't see that.
It's hard enough for writers to cram a legit story to 2-episodes :/// And it also have to be expanded to what, 30 episodes @_@ Like what about pacing????? Even if you only have to post 2 eps you still want it or not think of the rough future 30 eps, unless you want a whatever(?) story that's done just because it's done.
Then the artist have to draw those 140 panels :////// First wait for the collab partner, second wait for the story, third wait until the drawing's finish sigh, even if you don't have jobs it's still not 100% certainty.
WHY do that when the rules even said any amount?? And short stories/flash fictions have it charms! Don't underestimate it :///

That's my opinion based average humans, if they and their collab partner happened to be the genius ones then maybe,,, they can pull it off. But that do not i don't have the right to talk.

I mean come on, if i ask artists i knew is it possible for them to do 140 pages in 2 weeks all of them would say no!
If this person can so what?! My opinions aren't wrong, no even if it is why i don't have the right to voice it?!! While you do? :////////////////////// Like what?

Not like your opinions are the rightest, you even said so by saying "this is my 2 cents", seriously like what??????? ://////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

I know, my definition of storyboard is name too.

But i know some artists who do it from scripts to sketch, without storyboards.
So yeah, not like it's not possible.
Then again not everyone can do it, so some people still need storyboards.
But i will repeat, it's not impossible as well. Because i saw people who did exactly that! ://///

And as i said if they need storyboard, they should search for that, storyboard/er/ist. Since usually writers can't draw that.
BUT there's indeed writers who's able to do that.
Anyway what i'm saying, if they need sb they should search for that, instead of simply saying "writer". Because, if you still don't get it, averagely people connect writer as writing, and sb is drawing.

"But in comic industry it isn't so rare writers draw a bit", is what you're going to say.
If that's right, i'm going to say, "there are a lot of writers who simply only write too".

Well, i never give color schemes unless i'm asked, so i can't say anything since now it depend on what type of writer it is.

And i'm also one of the writer who don't demand too much so i did that too, trust the artist.

God, yeah. My comment came out a bit too agressive maybe because I just woke up then but...

Anyway I hope you found your writer, man. Your art looks great!

Haha lololol
No i'm thanking myself for not collaborating with you.

I never pushed you.
And i yelled because you yelled that writers aren't worth as much as they are.
And that's exactly what i did, found others who suit me instead of dealing with someone who don't appreciate writers like you.

Yes i said, "Trust The Artist".
I don't understand how it can be a problem.
And i even said that for your good, since you're just human, like me, like the others.
I've found myself in multiple endless acquaintes of people including myself who said they can do an incredible amount of panels in such super short time, both in illustrations and writings.
And it all failed.
So i'm saying that so that you won't waste your time and ended up feeling really sad when it all turn sour.
When, you can make a more positive and achievable goal, which you and other human/s can actually do, which end up in actually a finished result!

But i see i'm just wasting my time.
I shouln't have bothered and just let you weep in your failures.

I've done exactly that.

You also talked out of your ass with 0 understanding.
So i will say you have no right to complain when you're worse.

At least don't curse on people just because you feel like it.

And what did a thread being xxxx long have to do with it????????????????????????????????
If i don't reply, people like you are going to assumed i'm indeed in the wrong so i shut up.
But that's not case, so i can't let you think that way.
I never understand why that issue even came to this argument. Sigh.

I'm also an actual writer -_-

And i never ignored "every single one of their arguments", sigh. Aren't you serlously the one with 0 understanding????????

It's indeed not that hard.
And it's indeed part of their job!
Like seriously, what can a writer do when artist complain they can't draw
A writer can only be as hopeless.

I don't think so.

I'm the one who imagined myself collaborate with you would be such a hell @_@

I never bothered only you.
Better get your facts check.
I'm also trying to be polite but your dumbness start to tick me off.

I apllied to other collab posts.
I replied to other threads.
Sigh i don't even want to waste much more time more that i already was for the like of something like you.

I'd say those are exactly the description of you.
Thank you for not making me have to type that.

i guess people opinion really are different.

For me the norms have always been 50-50, and artists that i collaborate with agreed with it without being ticked weirdly like everyoene else here did.

Yeah, maybe because that you'd ask them to re-do it, if it's me i won't.
So another reason why 60-40 or lower is your desire, while 50-50 is mine.

man if I had to sum up a good portion of this thread with an image:

@Glasgwyn just drop it dude, I mean just by looking at your activity I can see you waited quite a long time to respond here, you were online the day after the last response, which is to say June 9th, and you were online many days afterwords, if you had more to say about this, you should've said it back then m8

@ratique pretty sure this thread is deader than dead at this point, pretty sure the op got what they were looking for and already did what they wanted and all that so I'd close it if I were you

Ratique is on vacation . I'm just gonna @michaelson and @cain3 instead