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Mar 2019

as someone who DOES watch numbers and has no problem admitting that (because my comic is like my job, I need to know whether my comic is still doing well), i'll tell you that I have STOPPED watching numbers on Tapas because it never changes. The only time it changes is when I am featured on the front page or something similar. I'm not sure why tapas has such slow growth, it's very strange to me.

My comic grows larger every single day on webtoons (150,000+ right now) but it remains at a very similar smaller number consistently on tapas.

why? i have no idea. I just gave up and I only upload on tapas anyway for the people who only read on tapas. but at the end of the day, tapas is just an extra website to me now. I focus my comic on webtoons and just happen to upload on tapas too.

Same situation!
But I recenlty (re)started the crossposting on webtoon. Months ago I stopped the publication on it due to my dayjob, it doesn't permit me to manage more than two platforms, but now I left my job so I need to know in which site is better to invest my time and energies.

(Let me love you!)

Free series have been basically invisible on Tapas app for a long time, so it's not surprising that growth is so slow. You basically HAVE to advertise off site. I wonder if it will improve now that the app has been updated with better visibility?

And who exactly did I shame?? I'm so confused. choose your words wisely. I was only speaking for myself. telling you that not every artist / author watch numbers thats all. Never mentioned anyone. so please, don't say i'm shaming anyone because I never mentioned anyones name, neither did I point a finger towards anyone. just giving an opinion which I see is being blown out of context.

oh speaking of, I noticed that you guys have a specific website for your comic and i've always wondered what the payoff/point of it was. I think it's nice and i've wanted to try, but do you earn back what you pay for the website domain etc etc? Is it worth making a site for your comic?

i'd say that I've had better luck with webtoons in the long run. i've been on both sites for a very long time and while they perform similar within the first 6months - 1 year, I think webtoons just has better site and more people.

Our website is pretty new and there isn't much there, so I can't say how "worth it" it is yet. It's sitting on a host Del already has for her pro portfolio so it's being paid for through non-comic things. Our webstore is being funded with leftover Kickstarter money. Pretty much the only reason it exists was for the sake of the Kickstarter and as a backup in case something happens to Tapas and our readers need to know where to go. It kinda feels more professional? Or maybe we're just old fashioned, lol.

I follow some comics that exist only on their own sites, and the fact they still exist means someone is getting enough out of them to justify the time/cost. But if you already have a Patreon and/or active social media, I'm not sure if it makes sense on top of that.

That was one of my fears (I didn't know about it, of course).

I'm sorry but you acted as a kind of 'superior being' since the start because you are so good at ignoring your followers counter, and I don't even want that kind of discussion because I was talking about a problem in the Tapas algorithm (and it's confirmed).
So, thanks anyway for your advices! ^^

i have a problem with inactive subscribers i try to be more consistently with my upload schedule, but i can't get a response from most of my subs. I don't even know what to do at this point, I've just been so happy with making my comic it makes me feel like its for nothing.
I've had people sub and then unsub when i upload the chapter after the prologue, makes you really question if your doing some thing wrong.
This makes me realize that i have to make my comic for me at the end of the day.

That's a good thing in general, you have to do it for yourself in the first place! Keep going on, challenge yourself everyday and put in your mind that you will become better and better with time,exercises, studying... be patient, enjoy your work even if it's not perfect (nobody is perfect! ahaha~) and carry on. You'll go far, no matter if slowly or quickly!

Don't worry about it, is not only a problem of subscribers... someone could unsubscribe, and it's fine... but lately Tapas is messing with the algorithm of the site. Not your fault.

Yes, please, don't stuck your mind on the number of subscribers, that's a phase we ALL go trough... my post here was referring to a problem with this site and I was searching for other users feedback about this.
I don't complain anymore about subscribers because I love my comic and I will continue it no matter what, sometimes I keep an eye to the statistics because it's totally normal being interested in our readers activity.

I personally have noticed a serious drop in views/subscribers since Tapas changed their front page about a week ago. Now there's no "latest updates" section or whatever it was called. So, before the change, a new comic could hang out there and gain a few new subscribers, now each update simply goes unnoticed. I used to constantly get 10-20 new subscribers for each update before the change; for the update I've posted after the change, I got only 1 new subscriber (and very few views). This change makes comics that haven't gained enough fan base to get to 'trending' virtually invisible. I hope Tapas could reconsider and return the 'latest updates' section... I'm not sure to whom this issue could be directed, maybe @michaelson could help?

We do not delete inactive accounts, but we do purge accounts that use disposable email domains from time to time, as well as blacklist those types of domains as we've found that they're typically used to generate "Free Hack/Scam" series.

The algorithmically generated sections of the site should only account for Trending/Popular, which shouldn't necessarily cause a loss of subscribers?

There's no limit, I think it's kind of odd to impose limits on that.

Hm, so growth is directionally proportional to two main factors:
1) Publishing (i.e. organic growth (or passive growth) - so when you publish fans might share your work)
2) Marketing (i.e. direct growth (or active growth) - so when you share on social)

And I don't mean passive to be a negative thing at all, actually quite the opposite, the strongest type of growth we see on Tapas is always going to be organic or good word of mouth. The problem with organic growth for long form series is that the direct entry point for MOST readers is going to be the first episode or prologue, meaning the opportunity for your readers to hit that share button is quite limited. We see different growth trajectories for short form or gag-a-day series as a majority of their episodes enable that entry point.

So, for long form series it makes sense that there's a natural decay in growth unless there's marketing (or active growth) involved to inject new readers.

I wouldn't necessarily draw any correlation to that yet since it's only been a week.

The new updates section on the newest mobile app version actually reduces the barrier to entry for most series since it went from needing 150 subs to 15 subs.

Is there a new updates section on the main page of the app? I can't find it. I just checked again and all I saw was "Trending Now", "Premium Comics", "Top Charts", "Popular Comics","Popular Novels", "Top Genres" (that lead to lists sorted by popularity), "Binge Worthy", "Premium Comics", "Tapas Original", "Creators We Love"…
I'm not trying to argue or something, I just really don't see how new comics could gain new readers now that everything on the main page only directs them to the stuff that's already popular...

It's somewhat better than it was before, at least at first glance. Prior the best way community comics had to be seen on the app was through the "Community Tab", but only series with 150+ subs would show up on the fresh episode list.

Now from the main page it's easy-ish for a reader to pick a genre, and then they can sort those by popularity or upload date.

Further, the "Fresh" section moved under the explore Tab, and now only has a 15 sub threshold. A lot of comics that used to be near invisible to app users can now appear, so I'm happy about that ^^ granted the update is so new I have yet to see if it'll actually help (and not just in theory) but as someone with <150 subs I'm optimistic about it at least.

I don't believe many users bother with sorting when they can just scroll down the list which is already sorted by popularity...

As for the "Fresh" section, it's cool, I've only now noticed it. Yet it's probably less visible or popular with visitors, I guess, because otherwise I have no explanation for the drop in subscribers from a steady 10-20 in the first few hours after an update to only 1... I've always updated on the same day and more or less same hour, so apart from the application's layout nothing else has changed...

True, granted I have no idea which of the options true pure readers use, as my experience/priorities as a creator/reader i imagine are pretty different. Would be cool if there were a means to poll readers about that kind of stuff :sweat_smile:

That's not at all to say your anecdotal evidence is off base though. My stats have been the same before/after the update so far, but that's including that I get maybe a sub or two a week, oftentimes 0 xD and similar amounts of views/likes/comments (i do a fair amount of social media promotion though, so I'm sure those views and such are consistent regardless of the app's state). After another few weeks or months pass it'll be interesting to see some long term data :open_mouth:

1 month later

Readers grow. What interested them 6 months ago is not what interests them now anymore. Let us be honest, the comic reader base always has a mean age of, what? 20-25? Life is not fixed at that age. You are not fixed. The uni you go to will change you, the job you get will change you.
As well, there is this instant gratification thing our generations has going on. We want everything right now! So, waiting for the update, waiting for the plot to evolve, waiting for the comic to end, all of that is stress and pressure we are not trained to sustain. I can say, being a reader and certainly not an artist myself, it is not your comic's fault. It is not our fault either. Nothing is wrong with either parts of this equation. We just lose interest and move onto something new as soon as the circumstances in our life change our focus.