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Nov 2018

So i recently started posting one of my comics on webtoon and it isn't doing as well as i hoped I would.
It got around 34 PVs and only one subscriber. I find this odd since another comic I did that i barely put any work into got around the same number of PVs and got 6 subscribers. This is especially confusing to me since that comic was just a one-off test with one episode and only 7 pages, while the comic I am actually putting work into has 5 chapters with 3 pages each. So I am wondering if someone could tell me what I am doing wrong in my new comic. Is it maybe the fact that I stretch out the scenes too much or maybe that I do not immediately established the main character well enough, since I plan to do it in the next chapter. Does anyone have any ideas how to improve and what do you think, is the beginning too much of a handicap, can i fix the problem by bettering the rest of the comic or should i just abandon this project and move on to the next one, since i did think of making this comic into a long series. Just give me a critic of every thing I am doing both good and bad, since i do plan on changing my writing and art style soon. Also it would mean a lot if someone could tell me what their average PV/Subscriber ratio was so i can compare.

Ps. Maybe I am overreacting a bit since I do have generalized anxiety but I just wanted to check what others think.

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I’m gonna say that it might help if you made the comics longer on WEBTOON . Those first five would have made for a great first intro page. The expectation is that for superhero comics on WEBTOON is that they are closer to 25 or 30 panels per ep. this may mean updating less often.

It's probably too early in your run to draw any conclusions yet.

So I should put all the 5 chapters into one, and than upload the 10 pages i have ready next month?

The recommendation for webtoon is for this type of comic around 20 panels a page, once a week. This works best with the algorithms they have. What normally happens is this- each time you update it averages out how many PV you have per episode and then for "by popularity" listing, raises and drops you accordingly. Because of this many comics drop a bit for the day until their subscribers realize that their person updated and go look. This also means new people just browsing through the comics will have a harder time finding you as you are further and further down the list.

My recommendation, go-ahead and combine those pages into a single update, determine which pages you can combine and then make a update schedule for yourself. Once a week to start would probably be best. In the meantime focus on making comics that fit the 20+ panel guideline and try to build a buffer. Lastly, remember that it will take time for people to find your comic and subscribe. Subscriber yourself (you can do that!) ask friends, and when there are good threads to do so- mention and link your comic within the forum.

Consider looking at other comics that are doing well in discover and see how they lay out panels, do their spacing, story pacing, and how many panels per comic. I recommend looking at DISCOVER section comics as most of those are just one or two people, where some of the feature ones have teams of 5 or more (plus they have editors to help!).

  1. One-issue comics seems more saturated for me and already have more revealed idea, while three-issue comics is only on the stage of beginning of the plot. Maybe that is the reason why first of them have more subs so far.
  2. This can be just randomness, nothing more.

Oh thanks, You actually cleared up a lot of stuff for me. I'l adapt the next update for the webtoon format. That should solve some of my problems. + I'l later adapt the earlier episodes too and just replace the files. Thanks :smiley:

I'm not sure if you mean saturated visualy or in the story. I do plan to change the art style, to one that has a better color palettes. As for the story aspect i would appreciate some pointers, since I will later be adapting the comic to a Webtoon format i can change the text as well. I was thinking of removing all the information about the in universe stuff and just focusing on the main characters motivations using a lot less text and leaving a lot more space without text. I actually originally left the whole first part without text with the exception for the 2. 3. and last pages but I was afraid people would get bored of just looking at pictures without text or explenation. Thanks for the help. :smiley:

As some general advice, I recommend not comparing your own works against each other based on how much effort you put into it. As creators we tend to think that the audience can tell really easily whether something took a lot of work or a little and they respond to that, but the truth is, it's not generally the case. Every author I know has complained at some point that something they just tossed out into the wild is doing better than the thing they spent their blood and tears on. It's extremely common! So don't let that part of the equation get you down.

I'm not sure if you mean saturated visualy or in the story.

I mean saturated in the story first. But when you asked, I actually realised that one-issue comics also includes more various drawing techniques than the long one.

I was thinking of removing all the information about the in universe stuff and just focusing on the main characters motivations using a lot less text and leaving a lot more space without text. I actually originally left the whole first part without text with the exception for the 2. 3. and last pages but I was afraid people would get bored of just looking at pictures without text or explenation.

Can't say much about this part for sure. People are different, and even the same person can be looking either for rich lore or just for action in different states of mind. So I think you'd better make it the way which you like it more yourself. :nerd:

I may sound a little too harsh here, but this is just why I -personally- don't like it. Not to discourage you or anything, I just want you to improve.

The artstyle in the first one is not pretty. in fact, it's ugly. there is so much text everywhere and the pages look very messy and undesirable to read. there is no space between panels, no room to breathe, you fill each speech bubble to the brim, don't do that or people will be too lazy to read it. In my comic (here)7 I tend to sometimes stop talking and let people live an atmosphere. This is a nicer way to learn about someone. in real life we tend to be quite more often than we talk. show that.

For your second comic your style is noticeably better, I'm glad you stopped using pencil and went fully digital. Also the too much text issue is now solved. It's the text is not too exhausting to look at anymore. so you CAN make your panels look pretty.

people are pretty superficial no matter how much we try not to be, so work on the looks, and please space out your panels.

Thanks this helps a lot!

I have a question though:
I have seen quite a few people upload once every two weeks. If I upload one mega update every two weeks, will that help the algorithm?

It doesn't seem to care the size of the update, only frequency. Webtoons recommends once a week because of how their stuff works. But do try to keep it on one page, not multiple in one day.

Thanks for the means a lot, since I am a beginner artist, I'm still a bit insecure about my work, I'm sure I'l do it less as i progress. :smiley:

No, it's fine. I actually prefer criticism over praise as i believe it helps me improve, and I tend not to take it personally.
I actually think the simplistic color pallet is the reason why people were more attracted to the first one. Since in the second one is a bit over-saturated with to intense and 'filthy' colors.
I plan to do a small art style change soon to better define character designs and better plan out the brand and asthetics of the comic. As for the tip with the speech bubbles it is incredibly usefull, I never noticed that, and I will definitively implement that in my further episodes.
PS. I love your comic and will definitively give it a read when collage life lets me.
Thanks for the help and tips :smiley:

I'm so happy to help! and thank you, I definitely understand how difficult collage can be. I am only able to upload an episode once every month because of it. Good luck with your studies my friend!

Idk about this but one of my friends once told me that she feels exhausted when some comics upload too much. she feels sick of reading them and stops or skips. Didn't happen to me... It may be just her but maybe you can exhaust your audience.