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AmysGames
Aug '24

In hindsight I will say that my comment about desaturating nighttime scenes could probably be taken out of context; I agree that making dark skin look gray is probably not the right choice. I just meant that there are techniques to making colors look darker without having to make it invisible on certain screens.

The references from @theyrebothakilogram's post are a great example. All of them read as very dark, but I can still see them on my monitor, because the artists were able to utilize techniques that make the colors look darker without using a shade at 7% brightness.

But I'm white as a sheet with not as much experience drawing darker skintones, so that's about as much as I can say on the topic, lol.

VibrantFoxRegular
Aug '24
AmysGames

which is totally fair and why i'd hoped to add some more artists i know of who also accomplish this with their styles

like one of my absolute faves recently has been rockybloo especially their comics beanstalked and glitter an guilt since you can see darker skin tones used not just in standalone illustrations but full comic scenes and they still look great and read well

theyrebothakilogram
Aug '24
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Leyelle

This is true, and I think most people agree with you, they're just trying to say is that it doesn't read the way you're meaning it too

most of these characters read very well as dark skinned characters like you're going for, but you see their color choice is very different from yours, and you can see something similar when you color pick from real people too
I included the unedited and edited photos of nyakim gatwech. and I think I see your vision (let me know if I'm wrong) the skin tone you selected it very similar to the color on Nyakim Gatwech's cheekbone

the only problem with this is that it's from the part of her face thats in shadow, for a style like yours I recommend selecting a color from the nose/forehead region because they tend to have less highlights/lowlights. you can see the same thing on white people where you don't want to select the shadow region because it will read very differently

heres what you character would look like if you sample one of the references color palates (I also desaturated to teal a little to make it easier to see)

and here's what your character would look like if we sample Nyakim Gatwetch's color palette

I hope this helps, we're not telling you to change your characters complexion, just trying to find a better color to represent the skin tone you're going for if that makes any sense. Do you have a picture or reference of the look you're going for?

abigaillmartin
Aug '24

Whew! Nice recovery! I think I should keep these just in case!

:blush: this is really really helpful dude!

DokiDokiTsuna
Aug '24

...I never said they were... ._.
I said the fact that their face is almost invisible will make them LOOK like a caricature, or at least feel like one. The average viewer isn't going to know that you just had poorly-executed good intentions...the fact remains that it's kind of a wacky-looking mistake that a lot of people might give the side-eye.

If you've seen how black people have historically been portrayed in cartoons and anime, you shouldn't be surprised by this...and again, I wasn't trying to accuse you of anything; I was just illustrating the degree of the error. =T Some people DO need to be told/warned; I had no way of knowing whether you were aware or not.

Leyelle
Aug '24
1
theyrebothakilogram

Yeah, this was my goal. And also, thank you for all your help and tips, it makes a lot of sense.

My goal is definitely to improve so the characters can be represented the best way possible. I think I just have a tendency to be hyper-sensitive, since it's very important to me that dark-skinned girls get their chance to shine

Leyelle
Aug '24
DokiDokiTsuna

Alright, that makes sense. Maybe i'm hyper-sensitive. I know I have a tendency to get touchy about the lack of representation of dark-skinned queenies in the media, so I may have misunderstood your statement.

NickRowler
Aug '24
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Leyelle

A good thing to practice as an artist is to view an image on your phone vs how it might look on a desktop. It might also be worth going into setting on your computer and making sure you are using a proper color balance.

I edited the image on the left to show how it appears on my phone and why some people might be a bit shocked about why her skin is so dark.

The image on the right is me using your photo reference to pick a skin color for her.

Leyelle
Aug '24

yeah, i realized when i switched to a computer that the colors don't show the way they do on my tablet lol

Leyelle
Aug '24
1

(there's a subtle edit between the first and second version)

Alright, following lots of the advice people have given me, can someone, or everyone tell me, on your personal devices, are her features visible?

AmysGames
Aug '24

It's better than the first one, however, still pretty hard to see for me.

ThunderChicken
Aug '24

I use shadows and lighting, just as I do with light skinned people. Black people are not "black", any more than white people are actually "white". Black people are brown, and even when they're really dark brown light reflects off them.

I probably make my colouring way more complicated than I need to, but what I do is get my final ink layer finished, then make a copy of that layer. Paste it underneath the main ink layer, make the original layer invisible, and then colour the new layer with little regard to "staying in the lines". Often while shading I will create several other layers just for the shading and textures so that I can trim them down to "within the lines", then merge the colour layers. After I'm done I make the first ink layer visible again.

Here is Leander (black), Owen (white) and their son Evander (mixed). You can see the use of light instead of dark to bring out the features of Leander's skin and clothes:

orchidesyl
Aug '24
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Leyelle

It's visible, but still can be a bit hard to see (if the phone is really dim).

I have a similar issue with this, but I feel the scenario and the character's qualities won't be changed, so I played with the shading as a way to sculpt his face for it to be more defined/visible.

When the time comes for us to see your comic, we can see how visible she is within her environments.
Proud of you! :^)

Leyelle
Aug '24

it's actually just art for my novel, not a comic, but thanks lol

lizardlullabye
Aug '24

Her whole face is visible, but still pretty hard to see - though my monitors are never at full light/bright settings, so all the darks start to blend together the dimmer it gets. :sweat_02:

Perhaps a more contrasting color in the lines or highlights, since they look very similar at first glance. This can be either:

  • lighter or darker colors
  • brighter or muted colors
  • warm or cool colors

I did a test drawing playing around with brighter colors for the skin (same dark as your drawing) and lighter highlights for example. The eyebrows are still hard to see. . .

daeygurart
Aug '24

ooh excellent reference!!! that really helps to show the contrasting

Leyelle
Aug '24

Alright. Take...I don't know...6 or 7 lol.

Could anyone tell me how well they can see Mora's features in this picture?