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The reach that anime and manga has had on western artists cannot be understated. It’s only now in 2020 that I’ve wanted to reflect on the role anime has had in my life.

I was primary exposed to anime through Cartoon Network and a lot of the localized shows that got placed on there. The thing that really propelled me into anime was my crazed obsession with Sailor Moon. Something in that show clicked with me so hard. I loved Sailor Moon so much that I made everyone in my house hate it. Loving Sailor Moon so much made me want anything that looked like it, which led me to anime . Until I found out it was called “anime” I just referred to it as the “ big eye character shows”. I still have vivid memories of being up past midnight reading Wikipedia pages describing the differences between shoujo and shounen.

Sailor Moon pretty much kickstarted my art career. When I was in elementary school I had that big dream of packing up my bags and moving to Japan to be a mangaka. I even specifically bought art supplies that had the word “manga” on them.

Back then for cartoons were mostly in three categories. You had really cartoony stuff like Edd, Edd n Eddy, action stuff like Justice League, and then you had adult comedies like Family Guy. It felt like anime was allowed to be all three of those things, funny action packed, and kinda rude sometimes. It really did feel like this special thing I had found.

However, I think towards the middle of high school I began to get bored. I was starting to catch on to all of the tropes and I was especially getting bored of drawing those things. It’s really crazy to think that the time that I found myself getting off the “anime” train, was right around the time that everyone else was getting on.

A lot of modern day anime fans started viewing anime in the early 2010s when streaming started. So whearas I was discovering anime like Yu Yu Hakisho on Toonami on cable, nowadays people are finding things like Sword Art Online on Crunchyroll and having that be their first anime experience. Geek culture in general has gotten so much bigger over the past decade. I realized things were changing when I went from not being able to find anyone who knew what anime was, to seeing Hatsune Miku in a YouTube ad.

And that brings me to modern day anime fans. There’s a reason “commentator with an anime profile pick saying something terrible” has become a stereotype. I didn’t realize just how bad it was until I made the unwise choice to start doomscrolling through Reddit anime communities. I came to anime because I felt like it was special and allowed to be something that American cartoons weren’t allowed to be. The fact that a medium that I went to because it felt special, deep, and artistic is now being treated by a lot of people as just a red-pilled alternative to all the “woke” media they feel is being pushed down their throats just makes me kind of sad.

I think at the end of the day I might’ve just outgrown parts of anime and manga. I tried going back to some of the shoujo manga I used to read and was promptly reminded of why I stopped reading them. Maybe the reality of it is just that I watched so much anime and manga that burned myself out on it. And there’s so many anime esque things around now (webtoons, anime-inspired western cartoons) I don’t find myself so starved for content as I used to. The simple fact that you can’t really ever enjoy things as an adult the same way you did as a child because you know too much is probably what stings the most.

I don’t think I can go back to that 12 year old girl who wrote Otaku Princess one everything, and maybe I don’t want to. I can’t tell some days. But I guess reconciling with the past you and the present you is just part of growing up. I don’t feel the way about anime and manga that I used to, but I can’t ignore what it gave me when I did feel that way about it.

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Wow, this was such a nice read~.

And it really resonated with me on a personal level. I, too, was an anime fan from a young age (so much so that my relationship with Japanese is like that which one might have if they grew up with Japanese parents), and I've noticed things changing in the culture around it.

Like this:

I've noticed it too, and it's heartbreaking...I almost wish we could go back to the days when anime was just "cringe", rather than a breeding ground for racists and sexists and all their ilk...

The worst part is that their idea of anime is also just a flawed stereotype...Japan is not some twisted magical playground of spiky-haired jocks and submissive teenage girls. It's not an 'apolitical' country (as if such a thing exists) and anime as a whole is not 'apolitical'...people who actually know things about the culture and/or live there can see the context behind the tropes, and not all of them are in favor of it. But I digress...

If there's one thing I enjoy about anime, even though I don't watch nearly as much as I used to, it's this:

I think anime will always be that special thing, that unique mix of energies from several genres at once. And I think it really is the driving force behind society as a whole slowly beginning to take animation seriously as a medium. I hope someday in the future, 'cartoons are for babies' will join 'moving pictures are just silly toys' in the graveyard of old, outdated, shortsighted opinions...and when it does, we'll have anime to thank.

I can relate to falling out of love with anime and manga.

I think the reason why westerners find it appealing is that it is media targeted at teens. Most American cartoons tend to be targeted more at kids or adults but anime hits the sweet spot in the middle.

However, I think it also is the issue with anime. If you are an adult, you may start to notice the teenage tropes more. And you might get to a point where you want anime which isn’t just another teenage power fantasy.

Eh I'm an old dude.
Peak anime was 80s late 90s for me. My first anime experience was Toei's swan lake.
I have fond memories of doing bootleg vhs swaps of fans subs at clubs and pen pals...sometimes in degraded 4th or 5th generation copy. Good Times!! Hah
My all time favourite anime series is urusei yatsura.
XD

I don't have much interest in modern Anime...too much trope.

You mean Harem tropes. That getting really stuff annoying to the point I rather read Korean webtoons. I mean those have certain passion I don't get from a lot of Japanese manga.

I love anime and I'm 30. I've been watching it my whole life. I think the thing is realizing that anime is really diverse and has a lot of genres within it that appeal to different age groups. Things that I watched as a kid or even in my 20's don't necessarily appeal to me now. Anime does tend to seek a younger audience, but there is a lot of stuff aimed towards older people these days (if older means 30's lol). Like any art form you just have to find the niche within it that fits your needs.

The first Anime I saw (also on Cartoon Network) was Tenchi Muyo. :sweat_smile:

That (and Daft Punk’s music videos) got me interested initially. Then at Uni I made lots of friends who were into it too and we’d watch lots of different shows together in each other’s dorm rooms, eating snacks and being goofy.

So anime reminds me of friendship.

I am not talking about harem in particular but harems are a type of power fantasy.

I am taking about stories that has a loser/bullied MC who later become the special/chosen one, and ends up with everyone loving them or being the strongest/best or getting the hottest boyfriend/girlfriend. These stories are often used as a wish fulfillment or escapism for teenagers.

My first experience with anime was Speed Racer, which had been one of my dad's favorite cartoons when he was younger.

But I had no idea that it was from Japan. XD

Then I suppose Digimon was the next one I was into, but again, didn't really understand the difference. I was however SUPER into Godzilla movies, and did get the difference lol. I never really watched much Gundam or DBZ despite them being popular with my friends.

It wasn't until one of my friends showed me Trigun, that I started getting into anime. Vash was so cool with his giant gun, and red trench coat. That 100% sold me on Anime.

Then I discovered One Piece. The 4kids dub of all things. The fight where Luffy went against Captain Kuro. There was this punch he threw, it somehow wasn't censored. But the impact, and Luffy's expression of fighting intent made me immediately go and find a fansub group called Kaizoku Fansubs. Because the dub was atrocious and there was no other way to see the actual series without Fansubs back in the early 2000s.

One Piece introduced me to Shonen series and I quickly watched and read all of it. I was hooked. Then I moved on to Naruto and Bleach.

But where I'm at now with anime is pretty bored really. It all repeats the same types of story, over, and over, and over. There's a couple series I enjoy, but overall I don't watch it much anymore.

I had the same experience with Sailor Moon, except we didn't have cable and watched it on kidsWB(i think?) and VHS. Every anime I watched was a product of 4kids or Saban. Growing up, I was big into magical girl anime especially PreCure, and refused to watch any other genre. My love of magical girl anime heavily influenced my art since I really wanted to make my own someday. It annoyed me when I joined my 1st anime club and absolutely no one knew of or gave a crap about magical girl anime and all they seemed to care about is yaoi and shounen. I eventually started checking out others genres and stuff for older audiences and realized what I was missing out on. I even had a phase where I unironically liked ecchi harem shows, but at the time I didn't fully understand the genre. I thought you were supposed to identify with one of the harem girls and imagine being with the male lead and not identify with the main lead himself.

Now I've gotten older, I haven't really been watching much new. I feel like I've gotten a bit bored or maybe just short on time. Most shows are about high school and middle schoolers. I tend to gravitate to the few shows with older leads with a few exceptions. I also don't want to waste time on shows that are designed to run forever or short shows that are essentially book previews.

This was interesting to read. I am Japanese, I currently live in Kyoto. You raised some interesting points. A lot of anime is squarely aimed at teenagers but it is watched and enjoyed by people of all ages. This sounds like a good thing, but you honestly have 3 year olds watching shows like Demon Slayer and middle aged incels watching K-On and Love Live!. Certainly not the majority but the reason I think it's good you have outgrown anime is because it is teenage and it shows you are maturing.

It is not always healthy to stay so attached and the content is not good for different ages. Plus, anime has a lot of tropes and themes that both show the deeper societal problems in Japan and continue these same problems. Japanese culture is one of the most sexist cultures in developed world and this problem is only made worse by having men "fall in love" with 2D girls and dream of running their own harem. It has the result that women are just objects to them. Anime normalizes the problems. Foreigners watching the shows might not be aware of these problems and think it's part of the edgy comedy (or even worse, just don't care).

Why does this even happen? You said that anime hits the sweet spot of being funny, action packed and a little gross sometimes. Certainly that is correct and it gets the attention of teenagers. However I'd argue that it is like that more by accident than by design. Japan has shows that are specifically for kids but very little distinction of what young people shouldn't watch. I don't think this is even an issue. Japanese society doesn't often think about the needs or best ideas for children.

I think these negative points connect with a lot of people and that is why, when anime has become popular, we have a lot of toxic people hiding behind anime profile pics.

Anyway, I just wanted to give some context from a Japanese perspective and tell you that it's not a bad thing to move on. You will always have the memories of the time you enjoyed it,

If i remember correctly, I watch Doraemon as a child, the first "cartoon" i knew that was anime.

I get where you're coming from. The waifoo meme and the idea having a harem in a manga become normalized and expected has became rather annoying there hasn't been any sign of it going away.

My four year old just discovered “Glitter Force” on Netflix :sweat_smile::see_no_evil: She seems inspired by it. New anime fan. Lol

Edit: Though she’s a big fan of Spirited away. Not sure if that counts. :thinking: