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May 2021

Maybe someone else has been in the same boat here?:sweat_smile: Any tips to improve or mend this? (incoming mini rant)

I've tried everything I can to fix this story, but it just isn't working. Despite forcing myself to keep working on it, I just don't like it and keep making it worse. Nothing even makes sense at this point. It almost feels like it's two entirely different stories and nothing the characters are doing makes sense for their character. I'd feel bad about scrapping almost 40k words but maybe I need to. I know it's recommended to keep going and finish the first draft, but it feels like a waste of time if I'm not even going to use anything from it in later drafts. I'm not even sure where to go with it from here. I've messed it up that badly.

First, the murder mystery in the story is barely there. It almost feels like a side plot when it should be the main point. I'm struggling to show the romantic relationship between two characters and having them eventually end things. Everything the characters have done makes literally no sense and does come across as unrealistic for them. The grammar is atrocious, but that's not even a issue I mind. It's everything else. Nothing makes sense. Bits and pieces are scattered around that don't fit well together. I'm not sure how to fix it. I don't think I can. Maybe it just needs to be a completely different story? Maybe no murder mystery? I dunno. i struggled a lot with the first book, but I think this is the worst one yet. To be honest, this might be in the top 5 worst things I've ever written. And I absolutely hate feeling that way about a story I had been so excited to start writing on after finishing book 1. I miss that initial joy I got from it. I wish I didn't mess it up so badly. I plotted things out so well, but looking back over the outline I'm seeing how stupid a lot of it was. And by trying to fix it, I just made a mess that's probably unsalvageable.

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I have a question,
when you break down the story to the fundamental, do you like the main idea, genre, one sentence summary or
is that where the problem starts?

I like some of the ideas I've had for the story. Like I said, it's a bit of a mess so not much is consistent. But I do really like my first chapter.:sweat_smile: That's about it though. I like the genre too. I'm struggling with getting the plot structured and actually writing a story I'd enjoy. I'm not sure how I'd fix any of it either. Things almost seem unfixable.

But that´s already good and means that you don´t have to toss the whole story.
What is the summary of the story when you just put it in one sentence?

I wouldn't give up on it yet. It sounds as though you are already aware of what needs to be fixed as you made a point of it. So maybe breaking down the story as Puck had suggested is a good start. ...Do you know how it all ends? Because once you know how the story ends, it will be much easier writing what comes before it and you will then know where you are going in the story.

I mean, first drafts are kinda well known for being terrible when you first do them. It makes sense, you're pretty much putting down your ideas first and doing the refinement later. I sure as hell needed to rewrite my comic outline's first draft before I got down to drawing anything, and I still find myself revising and editing certain parts now.

Since you mentioned you like some of the ideas, I agree that you don't have to toss out the whole concept. What helped me while writing is thinking of the goals of this season, (where are the characters at at the end of this season/act/chapter? What do they do for this season/act/chapter? How does this season/act/chapter differ from both the previous and the next ones? etc.) and once I figure that out I think about how to connect all these events together.

Sometimes starting from the beginning helps too.

dude, writing stories is hard enough as it is. if you don't even enjoy the story you're writing, you'll just be torturing yourself. I don't think there's a point in writing a story if you have to force yourself to do it. but if there are parts of the story you enjoy - which I think there are, otherwise you wouldn't stick so much with it - you should hang on to them. focus on doing what you actually like doing, and I think you'll start feeling better. because I think that matters more than how good the story you're writing is.
"[The first draft] feels like a waste of time if I'm not even going to use anything from it in later drafts."
the first draft is what lets you get to those later drafts in the first place. most of your writing isn't done in the first draft, no matter who you are or what you're writing - it's all in the rewrites. and you need to have something to rewrite if you want to get anywhere. it's perfectly fine to hate your first draft.

It sounds like maybe you need a break from the story in general. It's okay to walk away from the story and come back to it later, whether that's months or years (or maybe weeks!) Coming back to your first draft with fresh eyes can give you a new perspective.

My webcomic story has gone through 6-7 major conceptual revisions over the last 13 years. And what made each iteration better than the last (aside from getting older) was that I took time off in between the different versions to work on other things, practice my storytelling skills, learn from movies and books I enjoy, and jot down potential ideas.

Definitely hang on to this idea! If you're passionate enough to share this with us, then I think it's definitely something worth keeping.

Honestly, scrap it. It becomes a black hole for your time. You can keep working on it, and keep dumping effort into it, but it will never improve.

Much more productive use of your time to start over. Take the lessons and leave the rest.

yea.... ditch the story. there are so many ideas you can explore. just think about it. crappy story = waist of time. :hohoho:

Honestly, man, if you really hate it, just start over. I personally don't like wasting my time with things that I don't think will go anywhere. I'll just end up going crazy. But, if you intend on writing a similar story afterward, just use some elements like characters from the scrapped one.

Trying to fix a story that doesn't work might just take you more time than actually starting anew. I know that it hurts (I've killed so many plotlines in my life that I'm afraid they might haunt me some day :sweat_smile:) but it will ultimately give you better results.
There are actually writers who rewrite their first drafts three to four times before they are satisfied and start editing. Neither did I ever regret scrapping a story, nor did any of the writers I worked with. So just try it out. It will hurt less than you think :slight_smile:
And don't forget: It wasn't a waste of time! You learned something you can use to improve your future work. That's the most important thing :blush:

It's really difficult sometimes, but if you're getting no joy from a project anymore and it's just making you sad, it's okay to scrap it and move onto something else. This is something I had to learn from a previous story of mine. Ironically, I kind of had the same issues with his previous story of mine that you're having with yours (it feeling like two stories and all). You can always trunk the story and come back to it at a later date, too, if you're still feeling it. There was a different story of mine that I kind of trunked that I have up on a different site that I'm suddenly interested in coming back to, so you never know. And don't feel bad about scrapping 40,000 words; I've done things like that before, hehehe. You can also just use some of the ideas you came up with in a new story, too, so you feel like that work hasn't gone to waste.

@Puck Yeah, I'd hate to just toss the whole story too. It's the second one in the series, so I've gotta write it eventually since I wanna get to book 3.:sweat_smile:

For the summary: Gang leader Emmett Larson takes matters into his own hands when one of his own his brutally killed and will stop at nothing to find the culprit.

It's not really a bad idea at all. The way I've wrote it is just kinda nonsense. I'm not quite sure how to fix it. Maybe I can change how the gang member dies? Show more of the romance between two characters as they try to find the killer? Make things connect more.

@blakestackman Yeah, that might be a good idea to break it down. I used to know how the story ended, but I'm not sure anymore. I changed some things so that ending makes no sense.:sweat_smile: I need a new once, but first I gotta figure out what I really want to do with this story.

@azzy-m Yeah, I know first drafts are usually not that great. It just feels like mine is really atrocious and not helping me at all with telling the story. Chucking it and coming back later is probably my best bet here. I don't want to quit it forever so I might just need a break from it. Write something new and come back with a fresh mindset and hopefully new ideas.

@AwesomeSoFar Maybe I just need a break from the story? I'd hate to never come back to it and feel like it has a lot of potential. But maybe I need to practice more with writing by trying out other stories. By then, I might have new and improved ideas for the story too? Maybe?

@pilot-obvious After sleeping on it, I kinda came to that conclusion too. I just need a break from the story. I should write other things, try to gain more writing experience from them, and then come back to this project. No need to rush it and force it when I'm not feeling it. I can come back later with a fresh mindset and maybe even new ideas to improve it.

@JustLiz-o Yeah, I think for now I'm just gonna try working on something else.:blush: I'll try to keep in mind, that despite how crappy that draft was, it helped me a little by seeing what I dont want with the story. I think I'll come back to it later. Let it set. And try something new.

@ratscout. Thanks for the advise! And yeah, I think that's what I'm gonna do. Just leave it for now and work on some other projects. I can maybe gain writing experience from them and then come back to the story. :grin: No reason to force it and keep working on something I hate.

If I hate what I’m writing then I get nothing done. I went through a stint where something about my plot was nagging me and I couldn’t figure out why then I realized I couldn’t get the voice of one of my characters to come to me. Once I realized the issue, I plotted my story again, like from the first plot point onward (that’s about 80% of the story).

I’ve scrapped words, sentences, even paragraphs. If it doesn’t work, nothing else you write will either. Breaks are essential to get your mind right and sometimes you have to table some projects. It’s better to enjoy what yours doing, even if you’re going to change everything than stick to something because you put a lot of work into it.

First and foremost, think about what's the message you want to get across with the story. Once that is set in stone systematically build out from it, how do the characters, their actions, arcs and relationships connect with the message you want to tell.

I mean, yeah, the general advice is to finish the draft, then take a sledgehammer and chainsaws to it for all the reconstructive surgery it needs. I'd take some time to reread over what you've done so far and try to shut off editor brain. Focus on finding what you actually like in it RIGHT NOW. If you can genuinely say there's nothing savable, stop work on it and start from scratch.

Never get rid of your file for it. You may come back to it later and appreciate some idea you had before and suddenly decide to scavenge from it. That time may come years from now on another project. Don't ever completely deep six concepts you wrote. You never know how it may help next time, if only to remind you what road to not take.

If you still wanted the story to work, I’d have different advice, but you said you’re pretty much done – so let it be done. “Don’t beat a dead horse,” is a saying for a reason. Figure out where you detailed on this project and take that knowledge with you on a new project and you’ll be much happier :tada:

I have a story I've been working on for years, and it just hasn't been panning out the way I want it to. Instead of forcing myself to keep trucking through it, I've set it aside to work on other stories. It's not dead, I keep coming back to it, but it's possible you just need a break. If you work on a different story, you may learn enough new things about how you write to go back and finish the first one. It's also possible you've just been living with this piece for so long it's gotten stale to you.

Even if you do have to start your initial story all over again, the 40k words you already wrote aren't a waste. It's practice. It's learning what doesn't work for the messages you're trying to communicate.

@foxnflames It sucks when you can't get your story down, especially characters voices. I think I'm going to scrap the story and rewrite the whole thing later. Going to take a break for now and work on some other stories. I'm still going to write this story, but just not right now. I need time to figure things out with it. Letting it set I think will help me a lot too.

@Kuma Great advice too. Thanks! I'll be sure to consider that when I go back to it.

@thetalentedmrwulf I won't delete everything. Just going to set it aside for now and try writing on something else. I never delete any drafts no matter how awful they are. I think I just need time away from the story to figure it out.

@kmlangleyauthor I do plan to write the story. I'm not giving up on it. Just going to come back to it later and give it a break. While I wish I could hurry and be done with it, I dont want to make myself hate the story. I'm going to write some other things, gain more writing experience then come back to it later on. I just dont think I'm ready to write it at the moment. :sweat_smile: And that's been my problem all along.

I have one story I’ve been working on for over a decade. I’ll pick it up, write some really pertinent scenes, and then drop it for months or years. And it’s been interesting to see how various life experience and my knowledge and execution of writing has led to a much better story than I would have gotten if I had forced myself to write the whole thing 12 years ago.

That's been my problem too. The story just isn't panning out the way I want. :sweat_smile: I've wanted to work on it for so long, since I recently finished book 1. But now that I have, it just isn't working out the way I want. I've got some spin-off story ideas so I'm thinking about working on them for now. I'd love to have this book I'm struggling with completed, but I'm not doing well with it. Things aren't going very well. It might be it got stale, after plotting and outlining it so long. I just gotta realize that 40k isn't a waste and helped get a slight idea of how I want the story to be. Thanks so much for the advise!

First of all, I get it. You'll finish a chapter and finish another and then another but then after a month, you decide to read your own work and realize you could have done so much better. This is actually a good sign that you can notice this. This means that you've grown as a writer and reader.

In writing, you will never be 100% happy with your work. It is only the best version of itself in your mind and that's okay. You use what you have and work with it.

It takes multiples of drafts to create something acceptable. You write a plan, make a draft, reread it and edit, edit your edits, realize you don't like a certain part and when you finally make something satisfactory, you publish and do the cycle again. The thing that keeps us going is our own mind. Stay positive, write for yourself, do not force yourself to make anything perfect because that's impossible.

Who cares if you don't get likes or readers or subs, you had fun and that's what matters.

Now that that's out of the way, here's what you can do.

1) Take a break, your mind and heart need it. That doesn't mean you can completely forget about your story. It means to step away from your work area and while you're away, to keep yourself motivated, think about scenes you want to correct and how to go about it. Think of future scenes you want to write, think about scenes that made you happiest. And when you step back into your work area, well rested and with a healthy mind, you'll make amazing work.

2) Be ready to scrap your idea. This is scary and sad but it is what must be done. Gratefully that isn't the last step in this whole process. DO NOT DELETE YOUR PROGRESS!! Keep it as a reference for when you revise your old story. Yes you will scrap it but you won't give up on it. The biggest reason why people give up on a story is because they hadn't planned it thorough enough. Keep note of what you liked in your old story, what you hated, where it went wrong and why, how to make it better, what you would do THIS time to improve it. This will help you prepare for step two.

2) Make a solid plan this time but don't be afraid to change it or add on as you go. The more changes, the better. Changes mean you were able to recognize where to improve and that means you know how. GOOD!

For this part, ill be using my story as an example. 'Past Life Lovers'1 is basically broken into many levels.

EXPOSITION, RISING ACTION, CLIMAX, FALLING ACTION, AND RESOLUTION and their MAIN IDEAS. Then I finally move on to my broken-down chapters and notes.

I suggest you make a very broad plotline of your story. This will be easier since you have already done this process once before. The difference this time is that you'll know what you need to improve and where.

Once you've finished you're final plotline draft, note where each part will begin (exposition, rising, climax, falling, resolution.) They usually will after the main idea of the first part changes. For example,

Exposition: In the castle, there was a princess and her guard who she loved. There was also an evil wizard who wanted to marry her, he threatened to kidnap her.
Rising: While the guard had been to the battle field of another conflict, the wizard strikes and steals the princess away from the castle. The guard must save her. He travels far and wide until he is met with the front of the wizard's evil tower.
Climax: The wizard sends his dragon and monsters to stop the guard but nothing breaks his determination. The guard finally makes it to the wizard's battle field and wins.
Falling: The guard finds the princess in her jail and releases her. They return to the castle.
Resolution: With the princess safe and the guard a hero, the story ends with a happy marriage. The end.

In my web-novel, 'Past Life Lovers'1, I finally only began to plan each chapter after I did the above. My plan looked something like this:

Exposition (main idea): Characters Jayden and Kou are rivals with a bad relationship, but when Kou gets into a life-threatening accident and wakes from his coma, he changes.

Then chapter details:

Chapter 1:

Main idea: Jayden and Kou finish up their volleyball match. Kou got hurt in the process. They make plans to go to waterpark.

Purpose of Chapter: Introduce the characters to the readers. Make Kou seem unfriendly. Show that Jayden still tries to get along with the other. They make plans to go to the waterpark before school starts.

Plans:

  • Jayden and Kou finish up the last match of the night.
    -Jayden wins
  • Jayden notices that Kou got hurt.
    -Tries to ask if he's alright.
    -Kou refuses to be friendly
    -Kou pretends he's okay but he's not
  • They go to MCD and plan with their friends to go to the waterpark.
    -Jayden manages to get Kou to go too by challenging his ego

Notes: Kou is very weak to instigation. He is very competitive and this causes him to be unable to make up with Jayden.

And boom, you're done with planning after you do this twenty or so more times until you have a finished plot line. It is just easy riding from here!

You purposefully want to be broad in this stage so you can make room to innovate more scenes in the chapter. That keeps writing fun and helps you develope the story.

Although planning can be somewhat boring for most, I enjoy it. I'm still learning how I want to plan my stories but I'm having fun while doing it. Don't think too hard in this stage.

3) After scrapping your old story and planning from the beginning again, you can finally begin writing.

FYI! Completely finish writing the exposition of your story before beginning to upload it on platforms like TAPAS. This allows you to have a head start with your publishing schedule. Also, TAPAS recommends you write filler episodes just in case you take a hiatus and can't write. This saves you time and keeps your audience interested while you take a vacation.

Writing. I'm sure you know how to. This time however, create mental notes (or physical) about what will be different this time. Whether this is plot-wise or writing-wise, know what needed to improve. This will definitely be hard but you will succeed! I believe in you!

Writing goes like this:

Have your chapter plans in front of you (I suggest knowing what the next chapter will contain just so you know how you want to transition into the next) and write accordingly. You should be able to see one main point of the chapter and then write down what comes to mind. This is what makes writing fun. You just wing it from here.

Oh, Jessie transfers schools? Okay, she packs her boxes into her family's red pick up truck and drives for three hours to their new home.

Just like that.

Although I don't know the details of what went wrong in your last story, adjust the steps to your case accordingly.

By the time you know it, you're on step four.

4) Celebrate because you did it! You managed to continue with your story by scrapping it and starting over. Starting over is upsetting but also exciting. You get to plan an amazing idea all over again and this comes with the satisfactory feeling of accomplishment. the feeling you haven't felt in a long while. Take this from someone with similar experiences, albeit, short. I've had to replan my story well over three times now and it does not resemble my first draft at all, but I am happier with it.

It is okay to start over. Keep your past chapters and plans and save them for when you feel like looking back on your old work. I guarantee you'll laugh at your mistakes, we are all still learning. Your readers won't get upset, and if some do, remember that you write for yourself and not for others. you create work you get to be proud of. Take down what you have published and within a few weeks, you'll be uploading brilliant chapters!

Do not scrap your idea, do not give up on your story. It is good and interesting! You know it! Just start over and stay positive! Have fun and take a break. Stay motivated and most of all, good luck fellow writer!!

P.S

I'm guessing you already know your story and its characters so this whole process should be quick!

Kudos,

Beppobear <3

dump it.

it's kinda like your first ex-spouse... you see a picture years later and think "What in the world was I thinking."

Dump it, move on and write something brilliant to replace it. I don't know a single author that doesn't have something like that tuck in the back of a file, floating around in a cloud storage they thought they had or maybe in paper format.

Chuck it and move on.

I feel for you. I've been feeling like I'm writing a filler for a while now, but at the same time I'm about to enter some better stuff again. I realized I need to take breaks instead of forcing myself to deadlines. This DOES NOT work for everyone. This doesn't keep consistent readers (people have actually commented asking if I'm okay [soooob]. But I feel like taking breaks and writing when I actually have the drive creates better material.
My advice would be to have most of the story written before posting it (that is probably my biggest regret with mine). In my opinion, writing the story for yourself first and actually giving it the love that it needs makes a huge difference. That makes a post-worthy story vs a forced-posting story.

Thanks so much for such an in-depth response! I was getting chapters out, but they just weren't quite sensible and started to stray from the plot I had in mind. And not in a good way. It definitely can be better, which is why I was so disappointed that it sucked. I know first drafts won't be great, but this seemed beyond repairable and the more I wrote on it, hoping to just hurry and be done, made me realize I was dreading to even open the Doc up. It took me forever to get the first book in good enough shape and I thought I'd plotted well enough this time to not have such similar problems. But maybe not.:sweat_smile:

Something I have noticed is how I do really well with the spin-off series I have that connect to this main one I've written. While they're not perfect, I've really enjoyed writing them and haven't found myself complaining about them yet. Sure, they could use polishing up but I've been pretty proud of them so far. I wanted to wait to work on more of them until I finished the main series, but maybe working on different projects is a better idea.

I'll be sure to take note of all your advise when I get back to this story someday. Putting it aside for now I think will be a good idea. I'll write it once I've gotten more experience with writing and can find myself in a better headspace for it. I always keep my drafts, no matter how crappy, so that's no issue! Who knows? Maybe when I come back to it, I'll see some more ideas in it that I really like.

@therosesword To be fair, this isn't the worst thing I've wrote.:laughing: But it definitely ranks up high on the list. I plan to rewrite it later and just work on other projects for now. I think some of my issue stemmed from wanting to rush and finish it just to be done. I forgot all about enjoying the work and neglected to care for it.

@Maps Totally understand the whole forcing myself into random unnecessary deadlines. It made the story feel more like homework, honestly. That might also be why I started to dread it. Taking a break from the story is probably the best thing I can do for now. I'll come back to it later when I've got a clearer mind for it. I'll definitely be sure to have it all written out before posting online too. Writing for myself might make it fun again too.

step 1- read the whole story
step 2- note down all the plot holes and get rid of them.
(when a story is logically correct it gets much much better)
step 3-the dialogs ,put more effort into it what , what you can do is say each and every dialogue out loud and see if it sounds natural (you might want to be alone while doing it)
step 4- read it again and if some settings seem weird or overused change them
step 5- cut off extra stuff and stuff that does not add to the plot
final step- re-read.

This will make it much better and make it a decent read
You might feel that you have done it all but do it in this order and it really helps. And when you re-read it as a whole at the end you will see how much it has improved.

So, you want to salvage some trash.
Look through and start taking notes of everything wrong with it.
Sum up chapters in roughly a single sentence each, for safekeeping and management.
Look at your summary and your problems, and then think about what you really want. From there, you're probably going to have to do a lot of rewriting.

I feel like my suggestions are trash, but without knowing more specifics of the project at hand, this is the best I've got on hand.

Ofc! Although I'm not an expert, these are just some things I've found that really help me out. It is much easier to do when you have some sort of formula. Also you are not alone, the planning process take up the most time when writing a story. Some popular authors even admit that planning the story takes more time than writing it. I totally agree.

Anyways, good luck with your stories and I definitely think taking a break from your web-novel will certainly help. You still keep yourself interested by writing the side-stories so I'm sure you will be able to get back into it! Stay strong writer!

a break sounds like a good idea. you'll be surprised how much taking a step back and clearing your head can do help you once the break is over and you take another look at the story. even if you don't spend that time getting better at writing, you'll be able to look at things from a new perspective. but if you wanna move on to other stories before you go back to this one, I'm sure that'll be help too.